POST WAR assessment of recent conflict.

[Abid123]

Corrected the error in my post.

In am not too sure about laying down a timeline though.
A trigger can happen anytime and India appears to be in no mood to relent. With addition of new trigger points, it is more likely than ever.

India has done a lot of work in many areas with the aim of indigenisation. That is coming of age now and could be a challenge to an adversary.
They can’t take the other side lightly either as displayed by an agile PAF.
The escalation could be higher too.
Not good when two nuclear powers are involved.

When is the Indo-China skirmish going to happen?

 

[Vkdindian1]

When is the Indo-China skirmish going to happen?

Let me consult a tarot reader. Will get back.

 

[Michael]

Dear I didn't ask countries or any officials. I asked people present in this forum and I Know in this forum, some very knowledgeable person does exist.

Also you can share your own personal view on these topics. Your views are welcome and valuable for me.

I know it's impossible to get 100% correct answers to these things but then there are a lot of things which we don't know exactly but combining different clues and information that are publicly available we get idea of things like no body exactly know the range of PL15 or it's NEZ but we get idea through different means. Same we can apply on these topics too.

All right.
If you're really interested, I'd suggest you break down the problem and dismantle it. Your current question is too broad.

• Electronic Warfare
• Cyber Warfare Dimensions
• The Role of Space Warfare Assets
• Coordinated Networked Warfare
• Air Defense Systems
• ......

These issues are difficult to discuss. They are fraught with too much uncertainty and non-publicity. We can only talk about them in general terms as a topic of entertainment. But PDF is a public international forum, and this would be highly controversial.

Perhaps then you could do a deep split on one of these topics. Let's start the discussion from a small point and gradually expand the topic.

For example, you could start with warfighter information equipment, or you could start with the general public's awareness of war ...... I'm just giving an example of how we can gradually start these topics from some issues that are closely related to us, instead of starting with an advanced and huge concept.

 

[nahtanbob]

I think you need to look at it from a positive side - this conflict indicated the recklessness of the extremist terrorist Hindutva group (Modi's RSS Nazi equivalent). No sane world power could have anticipated this irrational behaviour from these stupid Hindu extremists. No one expects nuclear powers to be attacking each other - insane in the real world.

India is not the only neighbor to attack Pakistan. In 2024 Pakistan was trading blows with Iran

 

[Fatman17]

This thread is getting out of hand. All have been forewarned.

 

[TallGuy]

@WhispersFromThePast @Oscar

Good News,

I thought overlord 3 was dead! but by grace of all mighty only wing is damaged which will get fixed at depot level. Allah have graced his blessing the Radar system was safe and already removed safely.

since the terrorist at PNS Mehran, we are in good position to recover Saab-2000 airframe in no time.

its from horse mouth! so i am happy!

 

[sutton9999]

assessment

India lost 2 of its 5 S400'S Chessboard radar, which led to Modi begs for mediation from USA. And Pakistan elite already reluctce to retailate and ask for mediation.

Then what, both sides bring out a female military spokesperson.

Then India media is screaming USA forces a truce on India.

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

All right.
If you're really interested, I'd suggest you break down the problem and dismantle it. Your current question is too broad.

• Electronic Warfare
• Cyber Warfare Dimensions
• The Role of Space Warfare Assets
• Coordinated Networked Warfare
• Air Defense Systems
• ......

These issues are difficult to discuss. They are fraught with too much uncertainty and non-publicity. We can only talk about them in general terms as a topic of entertainment. But PDF is a public international forum, and this would be highly controversial.

Perhaps then you could do a deep split on one of these topics. Let's start the discussion from a small point and gradually expand the topic.

For example, you could start with warfighter information equipment, or you could start with the general public's awareness of war ...... I'm just giving an example of how we can gradually start these topics from some issues that are closely related to us, instead of starting with an advanced and huge concept.

Dear, I agree with what you are saying. Perhaps I failed to convey my point. What I am trying to convey to people (Defense experts and defense industry professionals present in this forum) is that, other than generic discussions and comparisons, let's also discuss the mentioned advanced topics. It's like adding new topics to these thread discussions.

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

2019 and 2025 were only 6 years apart.

My guess would be in the next 5 to 10 years another skirmish could break out, maybe before. The region is volatile.

I think Next U.P. Election is in 2027.

 

[Michael]

Dear, I agree with what you are saying. Perhaps I failed to convey my point. What I am trying to convey to people (Defense experts and defense industry professionals present in this forum) is that, other than generic discussions and comparisons, let's also discuss the mentioned advanced topics. It's like adding new topics to these thread discussions.

I totally understand what you mean.

However, these contents are not public in any country, and there are no photos or videos to verify them. The media, military observers, military fans, and think tanks of various countries all speak completely on their own nationalism, which is full of too many uncertain and exaggerated false elements.

This is like a problem we often encounter on PDF.

• Indians think that the Chinese want to encroach on their territory, but Indians think that they do not want to encroach on China's territory.
• Chinese think that Indians want to encroach on their territory, but Chinese think that they do not want to encroach on India's territory.

This is a question that will never be answered. If we open a topic like this on PDF, the thread will be a never-ending and pointless war of words.
We can have more realistic and meaningful discussions and analyses that can be verified.
For example, the informationization of the military.
We can look for some clues by observing public photos or videos. Through our analysis of these weapons and equipment, we can judge the degree of informationization of these weapons and equipment.
These things can be analyzed and tested by modern science, and people with a little knowledge can easily understand them. Of course, it is also difficult to quibble.
These issues can all have very clear conclusions. When we gradually magnify these small issues, the degree of informatization of the entire army will gradually become clear.

I don't know if the translation software expressed my meaning correctly.

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

I totally understand what you mean.

However, these contents are not public in any country, and there are no photos or videos to verify them. The media, military observers, military fans, and think tanks of various countries all speak completely on their own nationalism, which is full of too many uncertain and exaggerated false elements.

This is like a problem we often encounter on PDF.

• Indians think that the Chinese want to encroach on their territory, but Indians think that they do not want to encroach on China's territory.
• Chinese think that Indians want to encroach on their territory, but Chinese think that they do not want to encroach on India's territory.

This is a question that will never be answered. If we open a topic like this on PDF, the thread will be a never-ending and pointless war of words.
We can have more realistic and meaningful discussions and analyses that can be verified.
For example, the informationization of the military.
We can look for some clues by observing public photos or videos. Through our analysis of these weapons and equipment, we can judge the degree of informationization of these weapons and equipment.
These things can be analyzed and tested by modern science, and people with a little knowledge can easily understand them. Of course, it is also difficult to quibble.
These issues can all have very clear conclusions. When we gradually magnify these small issues, the degree of informatization of the entire army will gradually become clear.

I don't know if the translation software expressed my meaning correctly.

OK Got your point.




I don't know if the translation software expressed my meaning correctly.
All well. No issue in it.

 

[Goenitz]

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This is what post-war looks like. What I posted was not off-topic 3 days ago. This is still not in English but that cannot be hard.
The time of memes, jingoism, and 3rd grade shaming is over. Start making counterarguments.

 

[Foxhound]

India is not the only neighbor to attack Pakistan. In 2024 Pakistan was trading blows with Iran

And that neighbour got a good telling off for doing that - but they are not a nuclear power at the moment. But India and Pakistan are nuclear powers - it's all a topi drama from the Nazi inspired RSS BJP group. Recklessness on a whole new scale ..trying to set a bullshit new norm if fighting under a nuclear umbrella. It's doesn't work - both sides have miraculously escaped from the nut job) war mongers...I'll be the masses that will suffer.

Just note, that after the fog dissipates and more information is given - the Pakistani retaliation resulted in Indians quicky going for a back door ceasefire, realising that this could result in a nuclear exchange. So what norm did they established....aah we can attack a nuclear state.....and.....that they can bitch slap us back....what is the norm established? Nothing more than starting on a higher escalation ladder.

I personally don't think anything will happen for the foreseeable future except for an increase in support for terrorist groups in Pakistan (which too will fail). The whole bone of contention has been the Kashmir issue from the beginning - it has to be resolved peacefully.

The BJP and it's bullshit media brigade have caused considerable damage to the unity of India itself - the people of India need to wake up and remove these scumbags. Fragmentation under the BJP is very high:

Major Insurgencies in India

1. Northeast India: This region has seen multiple insurgencies, including those by groups like the United Liberation Front of Assam (ULFA), National Socialist Council of Nagaland (NSCN), and various factions in Manipur.

2. Naxalite-Maoist Insurgency: Active primarily in central and eastern India, this insurgency involves Maoist groups fighting against the Indian government, seeking to establish a communist state.

3. Kashmir Insurgency: This ongoing conflict involves various militant groups and has led to significant violence and unrest in the region. Since 1989, the Kashmir region has experienced insurgency movements, with various groups seeking independence or merger with Pakistan.

4. Punjab Insurgency: In the 1980s and early 1990s, Punjab faced insurgency led by Sikh separatists demanding an independent state called Khalistan.

5. Insurgency in Central India: The Naxalite movement, also known as the Maoist insurgency, affects states like Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand, and Odisha.

Additionally, the rise of Hindu nationalism under the BJP and the nazi RSS has further polarised communities, contributing to religious tensions and conflicts.

These factors collectively contribute to the complex and often volatile nature of religious and insurgent activities in India. india needs to focus on uplifting the millions of poor people in its country and stop behaving like an arrogant bully in the region - if it wants to stay intact as a country.

 

[Khanviletey]

I wanted to add this info for validation, this is mere speculation on my part:

Pakistan and india went out of their way not to use dual use nuclear capable weapon systems

Example
Pakistan used
Fathe 1, 2 but not abdali, Hataf 2, Babur cruise missile to name a few
Air Force used CM 400 AKG but not ALCM Raad none of the above are nuclear capable or dual use

While India used
Brahmoss cruise missile which is imported and the Indian version is not nuclear capable - we have had this long discussion before

the SCALP and maybe hammer

Your feedback will be appreciated

kV

 

[Vox Non Dei]

I wanted to add this info for validation, this is mere speculation on my part:

Pakistan and india went out of their way not to use dual use nuclear capable weapon systems

Example
Pakistan used
Fathe 1, 2 but not abdali, Hataf 2, Babur cruise missile to name a few
Air Force used CM 400 AKG but not ALCM Raad none of the above are nuclear capable or dual use

While India used
Brahmoss cruise missile which is imported and the Indian version is not nuclear capable - we have had this long discussion before

the SCALP and maybe hammer

Your feedback will be appreciated

kV

Absolutely. Both countries wanted to avoid a nuclear war. There is no second thoughts about it.

I do not know if people here are aware but Pakistan and India each year share nuclear sites locations with each other and avoid hitting that in any conflict. This has been on going since 1987 and even during Kargil conflict, 2019 and this year it has been kept as it is.

There is a one page confidence building agreement for this signed in 1987 between Rajiv Gandhi and Bhutto.