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I personally went to an organization to confirm the news.

So far, no information on any Pakistani J-35 order has entered the relevant production process.

There are two possible reasons for this:
1. the PAF has not yet officially placed a purchase order for the J-35.
2, PAF has placed a purchase order but has not started production yet.
------I cannot confirm the cause.

So we can be absolutely sure. The news about it circulating on social media is fake!
Any idea of the engine development, from what I have read the WS-19 will not be available for export, and the export version will use the WS-21.

I have some questions, are the above two engines ready for serial production? Since the WS-21 lineage traces back to the Russian RD-33, does it still have the smoking issue? Also why does the WS-19 have a ban on export considering US, Russia see no problem in exporting their top of the line engines, what is China's concern?
 
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To think, Modi and the BJP really thought Pakistan was going to be another Gaza. LOL

It's crazy how deluded the leaders of a major country can be. What a bunch of lunatics totally out of touch with reality.
 
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I don't believe the J-35A's internal bays can fit the PL-17 missile, it's noticeably longer than the PL-15, at 6 meters. I think it's primary launch platform is the J-16, and the J-10C can probably be configured to carry it but China doesn't see the need.

@Michael Can confirm if this is true or not...
 
Any idea of the engine development, from what I have read the WS-19 will not be available for export, and the export version will use the WS-21.

I have some questions, are the above two engines ready for serial production? Since the WS-21 lineage traces back to the Russian RD-33, does it still have the smoking issue? Also why does the WS-19 have a ban on export considering US, Russia see no problem in exporting their top of the line engines, what is China's concern?
For this question, I remember I posted the reason in PDF before. But I don't know how to search. Let me repeat it again.

In the 1990s, China purchased the technology transfer of RD-33. The project was handed over to Liyang Engine Company. The company's imitation RD-33 was renamed WS-13.
At first, China planned to use the WS-13 engine for the FC-1 (JF-17) fighter. But due to the technical conditions at the time, the performance of WS-13 was not good. Even the later upgraded version WS-13E still had many problems. Pakistan decided to abandon WS-13 and adopt the upgraded version of RD-33, RD-93 engine. Since PLAAF did not purchase FC-1 fighter, in fact, PLAAF did not have any fighter using WS-13 engine.
When SAC developed FC-31, it used WS-13 engine for testing (this was the only domestic medium-thrust turbofan engine in China at that time).

At the same time, the 624 Institute developed the WS-19 engine on the technical platform of WS-15. Since there are many similar state secrets on the technical platform of the WS-19 engine and the WS-15 engine, it cannot be exported.

FC-31 is a 5th-Gen fighter that AVIC is preparing to launch on the international market. However, WS-13 cannot meet its needs. Liyang Company itself is a production-oriented enterprise, and its R&D strength is not strong. It is difficult to independently develop an engine that meets the requirements of FC-31. That is, they do not have the ability to upgrade WS-13 to the level that meets the requirements of FC-31.

Therefore, after the main R&D work of WS-19 was completed, AECC transferred the chief designer and some R&D personnel of WS-19 to Liyang Company for support. They continued to use the technical principles of WS-13 (RD-33), but adopted a large number of new digital technologies and material technologies from WS-19 to make large-scale modifications to WS-13. This gave birth to WS-21. This is also the reason for re-activating the new code WS-21 instead of continuing to use WS-13.

WS-21 has good compatibility with the RD-33 series fighters that are widely popular around the world. At the same time, its maintenance system is basically compatible. International customers can easily transition to this engine. But if it is WS-19, customers must completely rebuild a new maintenance system. Moreover, the maintenance cost of WS-19 is very high.

Conclusion. WS-19 and WS-21 are from the same R&D team (624) and produced by the same company (Liyang Engine Company). According to internal information, the current actual test results are basically the same.
However, WS-19 has greater upgrade potential. Of course, it is more expensive.

Actual production situation:
The WS-21 has already started mass production. Its production line is still a traditional production line, and the annual output is not large. However, it is enough to supply the foreign trade market. ------Pakistan has purchased a WS-21 engine last year. At present, the PLA Navy's J-35 test version all uses WS-21 engines.
The large-scale production line of WS-19 is still under construction, and the construction of the production line is expected to be completed by the end of this year. At present, it can only rely on the experimental production line for small-scale production. ------The currently exposed J-35A uses the WS-19 engine.

There are a lot of words. I don't know if the translation software is correct.

I don't believe the J-35A's internal bays can fit the PL-17 missile, it's noticeably longer than the PL-15, at 6 meters. I think it's primary launch platform is the J-16, and the J-10C can probably be configured to carry it but China doesn't see the need.

@Michael Can confirm if this is true or not...
Unofficial answer: The J-35/J-20's internal bomb bay definitely cannot accommodate the PL-17 AAM.

Official answer: Currently, the PL-17 does not exist. This is the code given to this test AAM by Chinese military fans, not the official code. The official agency has not officially announced this AAM.
 
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J-35 questioned raised by Arab News to DG ISPR.

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Can we please stop posting any stupid nonsense! :mad:

The next post claims it will even feature Klingon-style cloaking devices ...
 
Can we please stop posting any stupid nonsense! :mad:

The next post claims it will even feature Klingon-style cloaking devices ...
Just look at the Post # 2,946.

That is where we stand.

Final.

It comes from the "OFFICIAL" Spokesperson of the Pakistan Armed Forces (earlier today).
 
Is it fun to spread false information?
This will seriously affect your personal credit in PDF!
Bro, please note that PDF is a DISCUSSION forum. Most of its members are just defense enthusiasts rather than having a professional defense background.

We come here to learn. Many posts may not reflect realities or even may be outrightly false. But it's fine to discuss even those posts to bring the reality to the front.

You need to learn respecting others' opinion that might be different from yours. Everyone has an equal right to express one's opinion.

If you feel uneasy with the opinion/comments of any particular poster, just use PDF's ignore feature to add that poster into your ignore list.
 
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J-35 questioned raised by Arab News to DG ISPR.

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@13:45 he says India fired a ", projectile" on Pakistan and they took it out.
That can only be a ballistic missile?
 
There is no PL-21 and alone to claim this is ruining his not existing credibility … and even more so I cannot understand that so many here are believing this BS!
Hui Tong, a long known veteran analyst of China's military aviation keeps track of the development of PL-21.

From Hui Tong's page:

"This new ultra long-range active radar homing AAM has been under development which appears similar to British Meteor. It features an active radar seeker and an integrated ramjet/solid rocket motor with a single or twin variable belly air inlets. PL-21 might feature 4 small stabilizing fins behind the active radar seeker, a characteristics of Russian R-27/AA-10. Two-way datalink antennas may have been installed in the tail section for mid-course correction. The maximum range of PL-21 is estimated to be 400km, effective range is 320km. It was rumored that the first ground launch test took place in March 2010. Similar to PL-20, PL-21 is expected to be carried by J-16 even Su-35S for long-range interception against enemy transport aircraft and AWACS. It is also expected to be carried internally by the new generation of stealth fighters including J-20 and FC-31."

He wrote this 5 years ago.
 
Today I was sat in a park enjoying sunshine and a young black guy approached me and asked if 8 am Pakistani? To which I said yes.
He said he's a Sudani living in the UK. Then he shook my hand and called me crazy and laughed.
I also laughed, as I don't get agitated easily, and said nothing.
He then asked carried on saying. We Muslims need crazy people like Pakistanis.
I asked him why is saying so?
He said you guys don't think, you just fight.
I was confused because I didn't have a physical altercation with anyone for decades.
Asked the guy who just called me crazy twice, for clarification.
He then mentioned recent Pakistan India war.
Said you guys fought and beat up a country much larger and stronger than you.
It felt good.
I thought that this conflict and Pakistan coming on the top, has boosted morale of Muslims beyond Pakistan, in countries far away.
 

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