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[Deino]

- So why is it impossible to create a Generation 3.5 or even Generation 4.0 plane? -

You're talking nonsense, it's already been done for a long time and wait for the rest. It's incredible to read such nonsense here.

Yes for sure ... and these fighters - even if only 3.5 or even Generation 4.0 - are already that much stealthy, no-one can see them!

Talk is cheep ...

 

[frontline360news]

Go for J-10C now and J-35 later.

Iran is in need of Three-Tier system: JF-17 Block III (Low), J-10C (Medium), J-31 (High)
To remain competitive in the Middle East’s rapidly evolving air warfare environment, Iran must adopt a three-tier fighter fleet—balancing cost, capability, and strategic deterrence. Relying solely on outdated legacy jets (F-14, MiG-29, F-4) or limited numbers of high-end fighters (Su-35) is insufficient. Instead, Iran needs:

Low-End: JF-17 Thunder Block III (4 Gen, Affordable, Multi-Role)

Medium-End: Chengdu J-10C (Advanced 4.5+ Gen, BVR Focus)

High-End: Shenyang J-31 (FC-31) (5th-Gen Stealth, Long-Term Deterrence)

Tier	Role	Aircraft	Quantity Needed	Key Advantage
Low	Multirole 4 Gen fighter	JF-17 Block III	80-100	Cheap, sustainable, good enough for most threats
Medium	Air Superiority, BVR Combat	J-10C	50-60	Counters Gulf F-16s/F-15s, Rafales
High	Stealth Penetration, Strategic Deterrence	J-31	24-36	Forces Israel/Gulf to respect Iranian airspace

 

[TallGuy]

Only thing Iran Can do is upgrade F-14 Radar (AESA Radar) and improved EW System and AESA Seeker and New Motor Fakhour LRAAM. to get some sense of air force-based asset.

Iran has technological base Radar Tech and EW System.

this they could do if they seriously wanted too.

They could reverse engineer F-4 Phantom in 2000s they have that capability, but they chose not to invest IRIAF. they choose to invest in SSMs.

Maybe it was because the enemies that they have chosen! May be they have assessed that 400-500 strong fighter/strike attack Airforce will cease to be operationally effective within 24-48hrs at the start of conflict. then why give enemy the victories to boast about and take casualties of young men. they have witness what happened to IrAF in Desert Storm.

that is why the doctrine to invest on SSMs /underground facilities and rapid-fire mechanisms to achieve strike capability and invest is SAM defense system A2/AD and vital point defense.

Clearly when Entity conducted air strikes on Iran, IRIAF was no-where to be seen not even an attempt to engage enemy offensively inside Iraq, just to mess up the Arc of stand-off fire. that could have been the last Hurrah of IRIAF!

i think in future they will completely disband IRIAF and merged it with Iranian air defense forces as air wing for policing and transport squadrons.

 

[Flotilla]

Iran is in need of Three-Tier system: JF-17 Block III (Low), J-10C (Medium), J-31 (High)
To remain competitive in the Middle East’s rapidly evolving air warfare environment, Iran must adopt a three-tier fighter fleet—balancing cost, capability, and strategic deterrence. Relying solely on outdated legacy jets (F-14, MiG-29, F-4) or limited numbers of high-end fighters (Su-35) is insufficient. Instead, Iran needs:

Low-End: JF-17 Thunder Block III (4 Gen, Affordable, Multi-Role)

Medium-End: Chengdu J-10C (Advanced 4.5+ Gen, BVR Focus)

High-End: Shenyang J-31 (FC-31) (5th-Gen Stealth, Long-Term Deterrence)

Tier	Role	Aircraft	Quantity Needed	Key Advantage
Low	Multirole 4 Gen fighter	JF-17 Block III	80-100	Cheap, sustainable, good enough for most threats
Medium	Air Superiority, BVR Combat	J-10C	50-60	Counters Gulf F-16s/F-15s, Rafales
High	Stealth Penetration, Strategic Deterrence	J-31	24-36	Forces Israel/Gulf to respect Iranian airspace

For sure PAF has settled a new standard about rationale composition, high readiness and excellent performance of chinese origin equipment in good hands.

But Irán has no access to international payments, there are not enough foreign currency and probably there is not enough budget to buy a large number of aircrafts. On the other hand a huge transaction of those high end weapons (specially J10C, because J31 is still not ready) would trigger secondary sanctions to China or Pakistán.

Other issues would affect the deal. Because of low budget, the program would be extraordinary slow and IRIAF would need to train and deploy a complete new logistic line. With RuAF aircraft many of those operational investments and timelines are considerably lower and faster.

But I agree with you that Chinese damn aircrafts have let western countries with open mouth.

 

[Mr Iran Eye]

Yes for sure ... and these fighters - even if only 3.5 or even Generation 4.0 - are already that much stealthy, no-one can see them!

Talk is cheep ...

New fighter jets are now ready to be announced and more. All that's missing is the green light to be unveiled and the credibility dominoes will fall for many people here and I'll be very happy to make fun of you.

And the dinosaurs can stay in the Museum

 

[Deino]

New fighter jets are now ready to be announced and more. All that's missing is the green light to be unveiled and the credibility dominoes will fall for many people here and I'll be very happy to make fun of you.

And the dinosaurs can stay in the Museum

We hear such claims since decades ... and still nothing! Why should it new be different only since another overexcited fan-boy claims the same nonsense again?

 

[muhammed45]

Many silly posters such as this Deino dinosaur and Turks tried to tease the concept of F-313 Qaher design esp its wings and the defined shape of it.
Now look at American 6th generation jet


Aside from similarity to Chinese J-20, its wings and frontal canards attracts more attention.

People wondered, why Qaher had edgy shapes in the wings, if it was good then Americans would have invented it first. Now here we are.

I know that engine technology of USA is more advanced than ours for the temporal gap that is already being filled by Iranian scientists. Let's wait and see @Mr Iran Eye

 

[Ali_Baba]

Many silly posters such as this Deino dinosaur and Turks tried to tease the concept of F-313 Qaher design esp its wings and the defined shape of it.
Now look at American 6th generation jet
View attachment 122529

Aside from similarity to Chinese J-20, its wings and frontal canards attracts more attention.

People wondered, why Qaher had edgy shapes in the wings, if it was good then Americans would have invented it first. Now here we are.

I know that engine technology of USA is more advanced than ours for the temporal gap that is already being filled by Iranian scientists. Let's wait and see @Mr Iran Eye

That is not a concept, it is fanboy art..

 

[Deino]

Many silly posters such as this Deino dinosaur and Turks tried to tease the concept of F-313 Qaher design esp its wings and the defined shape of it.
Now look at American 6th generation jet
View attachment 122529

Aside from similarity to Chinese J-20, its wings and frontal canards attracts more attention.

People wondered, why Qaher had edgy shapes in the wings, if it was good then Americans would have invented it first. Now here we are.

I know that engine technology of USA is more advanced than ours for the temporal gap that is already being filled by Iranian scientists. Let's wait and see @Mr Iran Eye

how pathetic! You just a random CGI from the internet representing a what-if image of the USAF's NGAD - in fact more a parody of it - and claim some more BS as if the Q-313 would be in the same league only since it shows a similar configuration?

 

[Tijani]

That is not a concept, it is fanboy art..

@muhammed45
The American might be concept art and there's no flown prototype shown to have public yet but the Chinese J-50 sixth gen fighter shares the shame "drooped wingtips" as the F-313 Qaher. I will bet that the Americans will show prototype with similar design language.
Point still stands. The Iranian engineers know what they're doing.

Shenyang J-50 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[iblini]

@muhammed45
The American might be concept art and there's no flown prototype shown to have public yet but the Chinese J-50 sixth gen fighter shares the shame "drooped wingtips" as the F-313 Qaher. I will bet that the Americans will show prototype with similar design language.
Point still stands. The Iranian engineers know what they're doing.

Shenyang J-50 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

with all due respect, the J-50 does not have a dropped wingtips but all moveable wingtip, it's totally different thing.

 

[muhammed45]

how pathetic! You just a random CGI from the internet representing a what-if image of the USAF's NGAD - in fact more a parody of it - and claim some more BS as if the Q-313 would be in the same league only since it shows a similar configuration?

Seriously? Then NGAD is just a dream and it doesn't actually exist.

At least we have something that exists. Americans are advertising a non existent thing. Which one is weird?

 

[Deino]

Seriously? Then NGAD is just a dream and it doesn't actually exist.

At least we have something that exists. Americans are advertising a non existent thing. Which one is weird?

So you claim, Iran already has something comparable at hand, while the US' NGAD is still not ready?

You should really stop consuming whatever you take, it damages your brain and prevents logical thinking!
Even in 20 years, Iran won't be able to produce something like an F-4 or let alone a F-14 on its own.

 

[muhammed45]

That is not a concept, it is fanboy art..

Its the most similar fanboy art to the one introduced in wikipedia


Frontal canards, look at the wings.

 

[LeGenD]

Its the most similar fanboy art to the one introduced in wikipedia
View attachment 122593

Frontal canards, look at the wings.

That is not true depiction.

It will look like this:



There might be further changes but relevant information is not public.

Many silly posters such as this Deino dinosaur and Turks tried to tease the concept of F-313 Qaher design esp its wings and the defined shape of it.
Now look at American 6th generation jet
View attachment 122529

Aside from similarity to Chinese J-20, its wings and frontal canards attracts more attention.

People wondered, why Qaher had edgy shapes in the wings, if it was good then Americans would have invented it first. Now here we are.

I know that engine technology of USA is more advanced than ours for the temporal gap that is already being filled by Iranian scientists. Let's wait and see @Mr Iran Eye

No NGAD prototype have that look.