Attack on Army School bus on Quetta-Khuzdar corridor— 6 Children martyred 43 injured.

Just one point. It's easy to blame Balochs and Pashtuns but what about Sindhi and Punjabis, who suck the blood of the weak. The difference is weak and poor are exploited easily in Kashmir Punjab and Sindh but Baloch and Pashtun are tribal people and they fight back. We also have the caste system where people do wrong to weak caste, they keep suffering all their lives but Pashtun n Baloch fight back. This is the difference.

My point is we must speak to them, isolate the trouble makers, we want to know their grievances. The Pashtun were made in to terrorists by whom? Punjabi n Sindhi elite for petrodollars. @RescueRanger I think attacks and wrong language used on Balochs and Pashtuns must not be allowed. We all know who are the CIA and Saudia puppets and we certainly don't want to go there.
 
What I notice which is wrong with these 2 groups are Tribal system/customs, see us Urdu speaking people are raised as to be decent human beings, seedhi life guzaro, phadday baazi nai, fazool ka jhagra nai, but in Baloch/Pashtoon culture Violence is not only tolerated but praised, like I said I studied through 1 school, 2 separate colleges, 2 universities, and all of them has one thing in common that you have these Baloch/Pathan groups who only hangout among their own, mostly know for fights/violence/and harassing girls, so much so that even faculty is fed up with but scared to confront them.

One incident i recall when I was studying in Indus university near National stadium, we have this Pathan group who often park their big 4x4's on certain spot, one day some other student take the spot as it was empty and fight broke out, one professor intervene and 2 hours later we have several cars outside and few men with AK-47's, no I am not kidding they brought in AK-47's to a freaking college fight, and given some parents were there they so proud to threaten the professor and college administration, buhat hi civilized log hai bhai, but they are very warrior people, crazy and bahadur my @$$, American's/Russians have rolled these Pashtoon's backwards and F them up, so their bahauri is only for students or weak.

Yes, I also find Tribalism of Baloch/Pathans to be not compatible but outright against Islamic teachings, To this day Pashtoon's treat their women bad, Baloch women well do i need to say anything? their Jirga system of justice well lets call it Aadi wasi cavemen system to which they are so proud of, If I was born into a Baloch/Pathan family who love this system, I would disown my family but thank Allah I am not born a Baloch/Pathan.

you know the same situation is in America, don't say anything or you will be called Racists and get cancelled, look where things got ? Democrats who promoted and supported the cancel culture, alienate the "Others" by censoring their free speech cost them the election, we have the same people, don't call anything to Baloch people or Pathans it will hurt their feelings, they have Gradiences, what I call their R@ndi rona and justification for violence against random civilians. Call me whatever but in my dictionary nothing, NOTHING justify targeting innocent civilians let alone kids, if my culture expose me to violence and inhuman behavior towards other human beings, that culture can go to hell.

I can bet 100$ here that in next few days/weeks we will see another terrorists attack in Pakistan and guess it will either be a Pathan or Baloch, when things are to this point where you know that next terrorist attack will be done by either of the 2 ethnic group you know things are bad but as on other matters Pakistani's will bury their heads in sand and say, Sab Changa si... Sindhi hum Balochi hum Pathan hun Punjabi hum is parcham ke neeche.... but given few lacs rupee all these people will cut throat of other Pakistani brothers, there are so many other poor countries the level of racial violence we have in Pakistan is beyond anything, heck even Indians have Pashtoon's and their pashtoons are least civilized and not blowing themselves up.

With all due respect, on this same PDF people used to mock urdu speaking people, call them Indian agents, and some claiming they should go back to India etc, this was during Altaf Hussain speech and Rangers operation. I then defended urdu speaking people and today will defend Balochs and Pashtuns. The trouble makers are in minority and they must be isolated, their propaganda must be tackled, Pakistan failure is what lead to bigger issues. The majority KPK and Baloch people are patriotic and will fight to defend Pakistan but they cannot do it when their narrative is weak ie exploitation, kidnapping, fake cases, missing people, grievances, lack of education, no schools, corruption etc. The government needs to sort this out.
 
After the recent conflict with india, it is likely that the Pakistani establishment will come after baloch terrorists big time in a way that has NEVER been seen before.
Highly doubt it, if they didn't come after them following the Jaffar express train hijack/massacre, they definitely won't after a routine/daily attack which results in sub 25 dead mark.
 
Ok but tell me how you unite with people who kill children???

I don't even want to unite with those type of people, the people who have the blood.kf children on their hands out of CHOICE, what good are they for Pakistan or the Muslim world????

We have a hindutva enemy we have just defeated and these people target our children

Their are red lines, if you feel insulted then the people from the western provinces need to do something about it

This isn't a political disagree that we are arguing over, this is the PURPOSEFUL targeting of children by Baloch and TTP Afghan types

Asking us not to be rightfully angry isn't acceptable

Killing children. If I tell you since 2001 and so called war on terror which side has lost more children you will runaway and won’t ever respond.

All throughout Musharraf years and beyond you never got the news of the children that died due to our own actions throughout the western border of Pakistan

Look in the mirror. Then how can they trust you if you don’t trust them? You have no clue about the situation.

also I hope mods take action against you for spreading nothing but hate. For weeks you’ve called Pashtuns and balochs all sorts of names. In fact I won’t be surprised if you’re an Indian poster trying to sow division between us .
 
@mythbuster

pashtuns as if they are god's chosen ones.

They do seem to be the bravest and fiercest warrior races of the subcontinent.

Regards
 
This wall statement from Iran is just a drama to buy more time and to do more terrorism in pakistan. They are actually scared that pak will cross the border. Thing is if we can’t revenge the deaths of our kids by crossing the border then how can we take back Kashmir? Thing is it’s all talk no action. Iran loves it because india is blamed but not it’s proxy which is Iran. In some way, pakistan is reluctant to name and shame Iran. This defensive approach will result in more deaths. Anyway I hope Israel will show the balls and attack Iran tonight. I just want Israel to finish Iran which is very beneficial for pakistan.
I'm going to explain things very simply for you so that you understand - if Iran (and/or Afghanistan for that matter) vanishes tomorrow, Pakistan's problems will still exist in their entirety.

If India vanishes tomorrow, Pakistan’s problems will become almost zero.

India vanishing AND a simple wall on our western frontiers will render Pakistan’s problems fully resolved.
 
Bhai Sahab, we are fighting this war for how long? and if you really needs to sit with 2 ethnic groups of Pakistan and begs them to act like Human beings than Its already too late for these people.
Yaar i have talked about this whole Grievances of Baloch/Pashtoon people, as in Sindhi's are living like Saudi Royals ? or us Karachi walas are bathing in Doodh and Shehad rivers ? have you ever been to Interior Sindh ? some parts of Sindh are even more in ruin than Moeen jo Daro, but you don't see those people blowing up buses with kids, har gareeb ager suicide bomber ban jaye ya Kids ko attack kerne lage then I think you failed as a nation.
you know why I keep bringing the problems with Baloch/Pashtoon culture, because people to this day does not want to believe it, I know Pashtoons see their Tribal system above Islam/Quran, Baloch does the same... big part of this violence is because of division among the Pakistan ethnic groups, and big part of the that ethnic tension is that 2 of our ethnic groups have no idea how to live like civilized People, Punjabi's getting better, Sindhi's are far behind but at least they are not as violent as Pashtoons/Baloch, neither are Kashmiri's.
we use Bengali's and used the term as insult to someone, but given the chance I will take Bengali's over Baloch/Pashtoons in a heart beat.
Try to comprehend basic human nature. If criminality: (a) pays well and (b) carries low risk of arrest and retributionale measures, then people will choose criminality, with the exception of those who genuinely possess a morality induced fear of committing criminality.

India will pay criminals handsomely, and in KPK and Balochistan, that pay off is better than the wages otherwise attainable due to the poverty in those regions. Law enforcement in KPK and Balochistan is suboptimal. Therefore, we are left with only a prevailing sense of morality that will inhibit criminality. Hence, plenty of opportunists will see terrorism as a reasonable lifestyle choice.

As others have said, multiple strategies need to be applied simultaneously.

However it is categorically false and even malevolent to suggest that there is some fundamental difference in the hard-wiring of different ethnic groups in Pakistan.
 
I'm going to explain things very simply for you so that you understand - if Iran (and/or Afghanistan for that matter) vanishes tomorrow, Pakistan's problems will still exist in their entirety.

If India vanishes tomorrow, Pakistan’s problems will become almost zero.

India vanishing AND a simple wall on our western frontiers will render Pakistan’s problems fully resolved.
Are you motivating the nation for ghazva a hind Field marshall sahib ?
 
What I notice which is wrong with these 2 groups are Tribal system/customs, see us Urdu speaking people are raised as to be decent human beings, seedhi life guzaro, phadday baazi nai, fazool ka jhagra nai, but in Baloch/Pashtoon culture Violence is not only tolerated but praised, like I said I studied through 1 school, 2 separate colleges, 2 universities, and all of them has one thing in common that you have these Baloch/Pathan groups who only hangout among their own, mostly know for fights/violence/and harassing girls, so much so that even faculty is fed up with but scared to confront them.

One incident i recall when I was studying in Indus university near National stadium, we have this Pathan group who often park their big 4x4's on certain spot, one day some other student take the spot as it was empty and fight broke out, one professor intervene and 2 hours later we have several cars outside and few men with AK-47's, no I am not kidding they brought in AK-47's to a freaking college fight, and given some parents were there they so proud to threaten the professor and college administration, buhat hi civilized log hai bhai, but they are very warrior people, crazy and bahadur my @$$, American's/Russians have rolled these Pashtoon's backwards and F them up, so their bahauri is only for students or weak.

Yes, I also find Tribalism of Baloch/Pathans to be not compatible but outright against Islamic teachings, To this day Pashtoon's treat their women bad, Baloch women well do i need to say anything? their Jirga system of justice well lets call it Aadi wasi cavemen system to which they are so proud of, If I was born into a Baloch/Pathan family who love this system, I would disown my family but thank Allah I am not born a Baloch/Pathan.

you know the same situation is in America, don't say anything or you will be called Racists and get cancelled, look where things got ? Democrats who promoted and supported the cancel culture, alienate the "Others" by censoring their free speech cost them the election, we have the same people, don't call anything to Baloch people or Pathans it will hurt their feelings, they have Gradiences, what I call their R@ndi rona and justification for violence against random civilians. Call me whatever but in my dictionary nothing, NOTHING justify targeting innocent civilians let alone kids, if my culture expose me to violence and inhuman behavior towards other human beings, that culture can go to hell.

I can bet 100$ here that in next few days/weeks we will see another terrorists attack in Pakistan and guess it will either be a Pathan or Baloch, when things are to this point where you know that next terrorist attack will be done by either of the 2 ethnic group you know things are bad but as on other matters Pakistani's will bury their heads in sand and say, Sab Changa si... Sindhi hum Balochi hum Pathan hun Punjabi hum is parcham ke neeche.... but given few lacs rupee all these people will cut throat of other Pakistani brothers, there are so many other poor countries the level of racial violence we have in Pakistan is beyond anything, heck even Indians have Pashtoon's and their pashtoons are least civilized and not blowing themselves up.
You're right mostly here, and this post actually tacitly implies that the environment in KPK and Balochistan is suboptimal for the reasons discussed in my preceding post. Gangster behaviour should not be tolerated anywhere, yet in KPK and Balochistan the authorities have turned a blind eye to it for far too long.
 
And you have unilaterally made that decision for everyone else? What's with obsession to return to the past?

You want 21 year old population to go back to law framework from 50 years ago.

That must have taken quite long for you to come up. Any particular problem with the subsequent amendments? I am guessing the Islamic leaning ones introduced by Zia and subsequently ratified by others?
What constitution do you want to give 21 years old..if any personal constitution? .....rest of national amend constitution on weekly bases !!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Bad, right? I know... Trust me I do, but despite the bad conditions, do you see any Indian Muslim or specifically Pashtoon's blowing up School kids? or random attacks on civilians ? remember what happen in APS? or remember how to take revenge of Lal Masjid how many civilians were butchered by the Majority pashtoon TTP ? show me one example of such from Indian Pashtoon's.
As discussed, this does not happen outside Pakistan because (a) law and order is functional and (b) there is no financial incentivisation to engaging in terrorism.

This observation that you yourself have made - that the environment is the main determinant factor in predicting the lifestyle choices of pathaans and balochis - actually disproves your assertions elsewhere that there is some hardwiring fault with these ethnic groups.
 
Well it is a good thing I decided to put this article I wrote for something else here on PDF:

The above post is (VERY Long) :ROFLMAO:

So here is a TLDR version; [Note this doesn't include any military action that the government WILL take against Indian proxies... This is for the wider people of Balochistan]

The Way forward

Resolving Balochistan's issue calls for a basic realignment of how the government interacts with its own people, not only for narrative changes or development pledges.

The strategy has to give inclusion top priority over imposition, reconciliation top priority over repression, and responsibility over denial. Combining Pakistan's own past with international examples, the following immediate, mid-term, and long-term ideas map a sensible road forward:

Initial Actions (first 6 months)

a) With a credible, independent, full-time chairperson and open reporting, reactivating the Commission of Inquiry on Enforced Disappearances (COIED).
b) Immediately release detained BYC members and nonviolent protestors including
Sammi Baloch, Dr. Mahrang Baloch and others, therefore asserting their constitutional rights to peaceful protest, mobility, and free expression.
c) Stop using too strong force, blanket FIRs, and counterterrorism policies directed
against civic actors.
d) Lift blocks of communication, restore media and internet access in protest-torn regions, and provide protections for independent reporters.
e) Rather than depending on synthetic or officially appointed middlemen, interact with real Balochistan voices—including young leaders, rights activists, and local
politicians.
f) Empower the traditional Baloch Jirga/Mei'rh system as a vehicle for community
reconciliation, conflict resolution, and communication.
g) Share publicly historical issues like forced disappearances, resource alienation, and shortcomings of government.

Middle Term Actions (6 months to two years)

a) Under the direction of a reputable, neutral mediator or federal interlocutor, start
organized political conversation with non-violent Baloch groups.
b) Under a transitional justice framework, start victim support and reparations
programs—especially for relatives of missing persons.
c) Establish a multi-sector policy advisory committee comprising economists, teachers, and security specialists to design Balochistan-specific development, governance, and social inclusion policies.
d) Through improved Provincial Finance Commission (PFC) awards and constitutional
clauses such as Article 172(3), extend local control over resource management and
fiscal matters.
e) Under a provincial command system with community-based monitoring systems,
reform and unite the Levies and Police.
f) Create a fast-track Balochistan Civil Service programme to groom capable native
young people into administration, planning, and government.
g) Change course of instruction to include Baloch history, languages, and civic identity-building materials.

Midterms-Strategic Security Measures on Parallel Track
a) Parallel track of smart, reasonable, and professional security measures must be
adopted—complementary to political and civic reforms—to battle hardy militants,
transnational terror networks, and hostile foreign intelligence activity in Balochistan.
b) With an eye toward human intelligence (HUMINT) from inside Baloch communities,
strengthen inter-agency intelligence coordination, especially between ISI, IB, MI,
special branch, FC Intelligence, CTD, and local law enforcement.
c) Invest in counter-radicalization, cyber-intelligence, and technical surveillance
systems meant to monitor militant internet recruitment, cross-border funding, and
sleeper cells.
d) By providing specialized training in asymmetric warfare, civilian involvement, and
rights-based policing, professionalize counterinsurgency units—especially inside
LEAS.
e) With a distributed command structure, fast forensic support, and unambiguous
operational control, modernize the Counterterrorism Department (CTD) in
Balochistan.
f) By means of integrated outposts, drone monitoring, and community intelligence
networks to track arms trafficking and intrusion, improve border security with Iran
and Afghanistan.
g) Launch targeted rehabilitation programs for low-level militants seeking
reintegration—drawing on successful models from Sri Lanka, Indonesia, and parts of
KP.
h) Enforce financial sanctions and disrupt militant logistics through coordinated action by FIA, NACTA, and SBP compliance units
i) Extend the legal framework for internal security to guarantee judicial scrutiny and
civilian supervision of security activities, therefore limiting the possibility for abuse
and so promoting legitimacy.

Long-Term Measures (5 Years)
a) Implementing Islamabad High Court's 2021 recommendations, criminalize enforced
disappearances under national law.
b) Review Balochistan's political situation and investigate, inspired by similar models
like Aceh or Northern Ireland, administrative autonomy or a special position inside
the federation.
c) Provide institutionalized local governments with constitutional mandated election
cycles and complete political and financial authority.
d) Restrain security overreach by redefining civil-military duties in Balochistan, so
strengthening legislative and judicial control of internal affairs.
e) Under safe and legal conditions, inspire diaspora participation in peacebuilding,
investment, and community discussion.
f) Create a Truth and Reconciliation Commission using restorative justice to honor
suffering, correct past wrongs, and rebuild trust.
g) Guarantee credible elections to promote inclusion, restore legitimacy, and offer
peaceful avenues for expression. The right to pick and choose leadership through
democratic means is crucial to reducing youth alienation.
h) To overcome systemic corruption and poor governance, reforms must focus on
transparency, equitable development, and efficient public service delivery to restore
trust and meet citizen needs.

Conclusion
Balochistan requires not brutal tactics, but a healing touch. The catastrophe of East Pakistan reminds us that protracted conflicts do not merely scar nations — they can destroy them.

The Baloch insurgency today stems more from socio-economic and political despair than outright separatism; often exploited by external threat actors who wish to harm the Pakistani state - it offers a path for transformation rather than a justification for repression.

The government must clearly distinguish between terrorism and peaceful dissent, release imprisoned activists, and meaningfully revive the Balochistan Reconciliation Process.
above all, not create another one, albeit an impapable one.
 

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