POST WAR assessment of recent conflict.

[imadul]

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@FuturePAF @Michael

As easy as ABC? How Pakistan unified radars, jets and warning aircraft against India.

In a report on Monday (May 12), China Space News said the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) deployed a “locked by A, launched by B, guided by C” combat system, integrating ground radars with fighter jets, and airborne warning aircraft.

A few countries – such as the United States and Russia – had moved to the “launched by A, guided by B” model, with one aircraft launching the missile, and another able to take over guidance. In the recent skirmish, however, the PAF went one step further to add “guided by C”, the report said.

Michael Dahm, has put it under flawless Kill Chain, military term.

The Biggest News from India-Pakistan Air Battle: the Kill Chain

Pakistan's kill chain was likely a bigger factor in shooting down an Indian fighter than the jets' relative strengths, an expert said.

www.airandspaceforces.com

I believe CNN reporter, Nick Roberts, also mentioned that, may be from same source.

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I could not find the article in this, if it is the correct original others copied from.

The 1965 space pen myth: NASA didn't spend millions to build a pen and the Soviets didn't outsmart anyone with a pencil. Inventor Paul C. Fisher quietly developed the pressurised pen on his own dime and only sold it to NASA.

The story is everywhere: NASA, faced with the challenge of writing in space, spent millions of taxpayer dollars engineering a special pen, while the canny Soviets simply handed their cosmonauts a pencil. It is a satisfying parable about bureaucratic waste versus common sense. Scientific American...

www.spacedaily.com

Next phase would be to integrate, space satellites (Pak has just few satellites so if China allows Beidou), all ground air defense systems, Naval ships, submarine, and MPA (Sea Sultan, P3 Orion) in same network centric C2 system

 

[Oscar]

Gradually the numbers are increasing for Indian side with every passing day.
From 3 aircraft and one S400, now the numbers are close to 10 aircraft and entire S400 wiped out. All bases rendered useless.
Very soon, the entire defence forces would be written off.
Wondering It must have been Vedic ghost aircraft that were firing Brahmos and hitting command and control centre 10 miles from Islamabad and hangars with high value assets with no resistance at all.

Some of these keyboard warriors deserve the highest award for bravery displayed over these pages. Just with there bare finger force on keyboards they have decimated India.

There an interview on GNN by Acdre Khalid Chishti - probably a decent account of what happened.

But a true “analysis” wont happen unless someone who is mercilessly objective when they want to be like Acdre Kaiser comes in. Even Tom Cooper is acting like a paid shill talking to Kirana blown up and entire PK nuclear deterrent gone. As if Kirana hills is a site somehow lynchpin and made out of cardboard and the many large and other micro facilities that dot every grid of the Pakistani geography don’t exist.

Moreover - you simply have more Indians than Pakistanis and even if we keep the overzealous fanboy ratio consistent there are simply 7 more of jackasses on the Indian side compared to Pakistan to help drown out facts by posting nonsense.

So at the end of the day - it will probably take anywhere from a few months to years for true sleuths to sift in the filth to find reality.

 

[Great Mal]

Look we know that Pakistan military is handicapped when it comes to budget compared to neighbouring India, but this should not stop us from innovating (if the babus get break from their ego celebration) a capable conventional detterance can be cooked up in a year if Pakistan military put their brains to it.

In regards to air launched cruise missiles:

We have two options either go the Chinese way (for now) & long term is you rework existing missiles in inventory or TOT with China to develop the capability for long term. As my understanding off the military arsenal goes, we can for now, leverage the already existing CM-400AKG & C802AK air launched cruise missiles (which we solely bought the anti radiation versions God knows why only the radiation versions) we can either buy these two missiles in their direct Air to ground seeker versions or get some agreement with China to buy TOT for both of these & potentially long term boost their range & systems for a better punch.

CM-400AK & C802AK are absolute havoc (in air to ground role) as the JF-17 can carry two of them with this a saturation of Indian AD would be achievable

 

[Tomcats]

Murid Airbase now confirmed to have been hit during the strikes, thus total tally of visually confirmed strikes are as follows:
Bholari, Sukkur, Jacobabad, RYK, Nur Khan, Sargodha, Murid

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[Great Mal]

Murid Airbase now confirmed to have been hit during the strikes, thus total tally of visually confirmed strikes are as follows:
Bholari, Sukkur, Jacobabad, RYK, Nur Khan, Sargodha, Murid

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A big wake up call for any nation, living in echo chambers will only make us weak.

Am sure a thorough self assessment is taking place, if not then may Hafiz Syed Asim Munirs new stick help Pakistan.

 

[Reichmarshal]

I think there was a damage in Shehbaz as well. Also, how did our Fatah performed against their ADs??

The Fatah series is GMLRS, which has performed well beyond expectations. They are very accurate and did a lot of damage.
The damage to our infrastructure was minimal with ALLAH grace.

 

[RafaleSlayer]

Aircraft hangers, parked awacs, tankers, runways.. radars, aircraft on the ground.. lots of targets… damage will not be known unless Pak has evidence and releases it when the situation has calmed down…

Wars are not a D*#k measuring competition on social media, Pakistan has all the post strike pictures they need to assess the damage and their weapon performance and accuracy. What needs to improve will be improved.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Gradually the numbers are increasing for Indian side with every passing day.
From 3 aircraft and one S400, now the numbers are close to 10 aircraft and entire S400 wiped out. All bases rendered useless.
Very soon, the entire defence forces would be written off.
Wondering It must have been Vedic ghost aircraft that were firing Brahmos and hitting command and control centre 10 miles from Islamabad and hangars with high value assets with no resistance at all.

Some of these keyboard warriors deserve the highest award for bravery displayed over these pages. Just with there bare finger force on keyboards they have decimated India.

Numbers are consistent. 6-0 and S400 components . It didnt destroy all of S400 but will need replacement from Russia to start working again. Doval is in Russia right now asking for more “S400” on emergency basis.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Fasbre2

damage will not be known unless Pak has evidence and releases it when the situation has calmed down…

Not necessary. Independent satellite imaging companies can do the needful. So, if no evidence is available till now of Indian mil infra being hit big time, then it means that there was no major hit.

Regards

 

[j_hungary]

Great

Indians won't have an airforce left soon. Other than the mighty Tejas that is yet to see action. You are happy, we are happy.

Win win for both sides.

That is IF, that's a big if, you can fend off EVERY attack coming from India.

I am not talking about a limited strike like this, I am talking about if this escalate, India stop seeing the deterrence from Pakistani side and they started intense strike package, I mean sure, you can deal with a few squadron of Rafale, but do you think you can really win a protacted war with India if there is one? Given that Indian military is around 3 times the sizes of yours.

The issue here is, quantity have their advantage over quality when you have a lot of them. It's like this Green Beret dude talking about some a movie about African rebel vs US Navy Seal at 22:14

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If you have 200 rebel shooting all over the place over 8 Navy Seal, it doesn't really matter what the skill level you have, you are going to get dinked. That's the issue, if India don't see this strike as breaking the status quo, and there are going to be a point in time, there are going to be increasing military activities against you. Which mean unless you are finding a way to rebalance the situation, how far are you going to have to response if they keep escalating? Are you going to put all your force in alert? Which it would have economic complication, or are you going to nuclear? Which is going to have major implication.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

If you have 200 rebel shooting all over the place over 8 Navy Seal, it doesn't really matter what the skill level you have, you are going to get dinked.

This is when Pakistan start mobilizing nuclear weapons. It will happen well before India take out Pakistan air force with number superiority.

 

[Oscar]

Murid Airbase now confirmed to have been hit during the strikes, thus total tally of visually confirmed strikes are as follows:
Bholari, Sukkur, Jacobabad, RYK, Nur Khan, Sargodha, Murid

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Unfortunately - Pakistan has little BDA to prove its claims of 16 airbases hit in India.
Maxar wont cooperate and Chinese aren’t forthcoming with exposing their imagery capabilities.

 

[j_hungary]

Pakistan in retaliation hit 26 Indian military installations.

Here is Indian army spokesperson admitting.

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They have not even admitted any loss of aircraft yet despite videos of wreckage. But here they admit Fatah missiles were able to hit 26 sites.

Again, this is a limited strike, a limited strike is mostly not going for result, but is a way to look at how you responded and how much I can get away with it, that's what the Indian are doing. They are testing your redline.

In a broad strategic term, you need to re-establish your level of deterrence so Indian would think twice before doing it again, otherwise it's just going to be like a snowball, it's gonna get bigger as the snow ball keep rolling. You need to stop the snow ball roll otherwise the other side of that coin is that you need to prepare for a even bigger strike or an all out war in the near future if India start to see the your deterence is being melted away.

I would love to type out or hint at how Pakistan can do this, but I can't because of the article I wrote, I cannot share my idea with other people outside my employer

The one worrying thing for Pak is India now knows Pak will retaliate in a big way. That means when they decide to do something stupid again they will be more prepared and might put in place traps to hurt Pak forces.

India wants to control the escalation ladder, what Pak needs to do is make the retaliation so costly for India so it makes them think 10 times before trying to do something crazy again.

 

[j_hungary]

This is when Pakistan start mobilizing nuclear weapons. It will happen well before India take out Pakistan air force with number superiority.

That is what I mean, do you want to get there (mobilising nuclear weapon I meant)

 

[j_hungary]

The one worrying thing for Pak is India now knows Pak will retaliate in a big way. That means when they decide to do something stupid again they will be more prepared and might put in place traps to hurt Pak forces.

The thing is, they already did, look at this war and the response, and look at how India responded after 2008 Mumbai attacks? I would say the attack of Tourist in KP is not remotely the same league as Mumbai attack, yet the response are more aggreges here That's already an escalation.

They don't just wake up one day and decided to use this attack in KP to launch a strike like this and see how it get on with their Rafale or your J-10C. They are doing this for a purpose, and for what purpose and what can they get out of from this, now, that's a million dollar question.

India wants to control the escalation ladder, what Pak needs to do is make the retaliation so costly for India so it makes them think 10 times before trying to do something crazy again.

This is what my post mean, India wants to dictate the tempo, but how you can get there to tone it down? What you are saying is, they show you bigger gun, and you show them a even bigger one. Again, that's come back to my previous point in my reply to another member, how big you are prepare to go with?