PAF Future Acquisition Plans

[Bentley777]

tbh this conflict has shown that the nature of next-gen fighting has changed. The J-35AE is nice and all, but it won't do anything if our air bases get overwhelmed by saturated BrahMos strikes.

IMO, the armed forces should prioritize the following:

1. Further densify SAM coverages. Add next-gen SAMs for the short- and medium-range coverage zone for an additional layer against the BrahMos, especially if they get past the HQ-9BE and HQ-16FE. The PAF and PA should standardize on a single type with a dual - or at least swappable - ARH and IIR capability, thrust vectoring, etc. Something like the CAMM/ER or IRIS-T SL. They start at around 20 km range, but we should build on them and add the longer-ranged variants -- up to 100 km -- when available. That would fill out the tiers under the HQ-16FE (160 km) really well, thereby leaving the HQ-9BE (260 km) above that.

2. Focus on dispersal operations. The IAF knows it'll have trouble taking the PAF on the air, so we can just assume now that India will saturate BrahMos SSCMs on our air bases. MOBs and FOBs won't mean much to us now, we need to operate from our motorways. The issue is it's unclear if the JF-17 or J-10CE can operate from them. If not, then make a hard pivot to UCAVs like the Kizilelma, which potentially can. Procure and build a relatively large number of them over the long-term; one subset as an emergency air-to-air wall, and another (cheaper) subset for one-way strike missions.

3. For crewed fighters, I'd prioritize platforms that we already have, namely the J-10CE. Goal should be to bring that fleet up to 90+.

4. Figure out a way to induct a million loitering munitions of different types; some can be long-range, miniature cruise missiles, but others just electrical motor or basic piston engine types.

5. Work with North Korea and Iran on hypersonic munitions @Lulldapull

You can't just keep defending the issue that happened in recent conflicts was because air defense was constantly defending. We have to fire brahmos type system back so their air defense also get stretched at the same time which will effect their offense too because our missiles will be hitting too. @Quwa write article about it pak need a brahmos type system too.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

1. Upgrade your air defence into a more layered, upgraded and networked system, as Indian missile strikes showed clear weaknesses and gaps. Ukraine did this somewhat well, albeit with NATO support.

2. Have a credible offensive arsenal of munitions/missiles. Hypersonic maneuverable warheads with decent range are necessary, as India possesses a capable layered IADS, including S-400.

3. Work on SEAD/DEAD mission effectiveness, assess how well you can perform this. Not sure how valid their strike capability is because the claims of S-400 neutralisation lack evidence. A large payload strike platform is missing.

4. Cheap but effective loitering munitions that can saturate Indian AD, go after low value targets. Pakistan could probably produce a local design similar to Iranian Shaheds. (Ukraine proved the utility)

5. Disperse aerial assets across the country, have multiple back-up runways, perhaps utilise motorway system.

6. Work on maintaining current aerial superiority, through smart planning & inductions to maintain edge and superior training.

 

[peagle]

or with that money, put more satellites up!

It won't cost too much money, well it will, but you can't do that overnight, so very affordable as part of a plan. It would have to be part of a structured approach.
Some of the shelters will be to full strength, others to absorb the blow, so the overall cost will be lower.

Satellites don't protect you from incoming missiles. Investing in your own satellites right away would be a waste of resources, especially since you can source satellite information from other sources.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

It won't cost too much money, well it will, but you can't do that overnight, so very affordable as part of a plan. It would have to be part of a structured approach.
Some of the shelters will be to full strength, others to absorb the blow, so the overall cost will be lower.

Satellites don't protect you from incoming missiles. Investing in your own satellites right away would be a waste of resources, especially since you can source satellite information from other sources.

IDK, im not an engineer nor im an astronaut. Although, i can read the weight of waves, being a financial engineer!

 

[peagle]

IDK, im not an engineer nor im an astronaut. Although, i can read the weight of waves, being a financial engineer!

I honestly do not know what you're talk about lol

We're discussing how best to protect our aviation assets from attack.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

I honestly do not know what you're talk about lol

We're discussing how best to protect our aviation assets from attack.

dont fight the missiles that are going to destroy the infrastructure that you are going to build!

fight the man, who is building those missile!

 

[peagle]

dont fight the missiles that are going to destroy the infrastructure that you are going to build!

fight the man, who is building those missile!

Do you have any concrete practicable applicable suggestions?

 

[ARMalik]

Surely China knows India has Brahmos and surely China has many counter measures against it. It is highly probable that Pakistan has asked China for a counter measure against Brahmos. SURELY.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Surely China knows India has Brahmos and surely China has many counter measures against it. It is highly probable that Pakistan has asked China for a counter measure against Brahmos. SURELY.

We should buy land version of FN-3000 from China which is equal to USN RAM (rolling airframe missiles) or similar system to counter Indian Brahmos

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Do you have any concrete practicable applicable suggestions?

you talk as if, you hold rights over 'practicable suggestions'?!
I am saying, where do the limits lie of your 'infrastructure develop.' ?
in your head or tech. changes!

man, dont irritate me! have some heart and listen some opinion too!

 

[peagle]

you talk as if, you hold rights over 'practicable suggestions'?!
I am saying, where do the limits lie of your 'infrastructure develop.' ?
in your head or tech. changes!

man, dont irritate me! have some heart and listen some opinion too!

Seriously, what the bleeding heck is wrong with you?
Why are you getting your panties in a twist?

You've come here making idiotic irrelevant statements, that have nothing to do with what I said, without any meaning.
(Forget the missiles go after the one who made them), what the heck does that even mean? How old are you?
I contributed in a honest manner, and in the last post, I merely asked you to provide something I can chew on.

But you've turned sensitive like 12 year old entering puberty for the first time.
You're the one annoy me, yet I've been patient.
You're a ruddy troll. Go get a life.
What a joker

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Surely China knows India has Brahmos and surely China has many counter measures against it. It is highly probable that Pakistan has asked China for a counter measure against Brahmos. SURELY.

There is no golden button to defeat BrahMos, it's just a matter of air defence measures which present their own weaknesses because it becomes a battle of attrition which is essentially an economic resource battle.

Offense is the best defense in this scenario. You need to be able to inflict major damage in response too. Air defense isn't fool proof.

 

[studsmart]

should Pakistan create higher density of HQ9B and HQ16FE to counter supersonic and hypersonic missiles?

Should Pakistan invest more in under 50KM range missiles?

Should Pakistan invest in more intelligent ground-based radar systems for the future

 

[ziaulislam]

You can't just keep defending the issue that happened in recent conflicts was because air defense was constantly defending. We have to fire brahmos type system back so their air defense also get stretched at the same time which will effect their offense too because our missiles will be hitting too. @Quwa write article about it pak need a brahmos type system too.

Indeed we do, but we never took out Blastic missles or babur..i think they should have been utilized

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

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