Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

Dalit said:
People often forget that apart from Indian size and market advantage, it also enjoys astronomical preferential treatment from the Western nations. Let's also not forget that Western Indian alliance revolves around China containment. As far as narrative building is concerned, India will absolutely always enjoy more favoritism among its Western peers irrespective of the situation on the ground. Pakistani decision makers understand this reality long before a conflict starts with India. In the narrative building department Pakistan can only do so much. We need to accept this reality and move on.

The Indians are programmed to hate Pakistan since its inception. Naturally, the Indians are going to resort to chest thumping whether they make wins or losses.

How should Pakistan respond? It should respond exactly in the manner it did. Celebrate victories and learn from the losses. We need a sober approach grounded in reality. Above all, Pakistan should prepare and prepare even more. The keyword is preparation. Pakistan should ready itself for the worst scenario. India is going to resort to misadventure at all cost. During peace time a country prepares for the bad times. The bad times persist and cannot be avoided.

These rounds of skirmishes present a learning moment. Make no mistake. The Hindutva and their backers are bitter. They will collectively go back to the drawing table and examine their strengths and weaknesses. Pakistan must do the same with its allies. Highlight the weaknesses and strengths. Address the shortcomings without any delay.

Preparation and planning is more than half the work than actual warmongering .
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I couldn't agree more. Pakistan doesn't have the money, area or the political clout. India is the darling of the west and will continue to do so, even more - for reasons we all know.

Pakistan will never have the endless supply of money and weapons like Ukraine does and the only way for us is to play smart. Like Ukraine's drone attack on Russian strategic bombers today - carrying the drones in a truck, thousands of miles away to an airbase - or the pager bombs of Zionists against Hezbollah. *That* kind of creative.

Muneera declaring himself Field Marshal really left a bad taste in mouth - for a lot of us - because that was uncalled for. It was time for us to be humble and grateful to Allah and prepare for the future, not the cheap publicity, but at least I hope they are preparing for the next round.
 
Vox Non Dei said:
Did I say nuclear in that post? It is the authority that control strategic weapons of Pakistan. Where did you pick up Nuclear from?
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Why do you persist with demonstrating your lack of basic cognition? Direct nuclear escalation is one of many functions of this national command body.

From Wikipedia:

"the NCA maintains and enhances the control and operational effectiveness of Pakistan's nuclear weapons stockpile and serves as a policy institute regarding weapons of mass destruction in Pakistan"

In the context of the recent engagement, there is plenty for this body to discuss - Indian ululations regarding intentionally triggering a radiation leak, the use of a nuclear capable missile by India, and anything else one may think of in the context of a hot war between Pakistan and India. There are numerous plausible scenarios in which this body will see activity - that India was concerned about direct escalation towards nuclear weapons usage by Pakistan is India's problem, nobody else's.
 
Vox Non Dei said:
You seem to forget that 26 innocent people were killed in a terror attack.
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The state authority of Pakistan was blamed for an attack committed by local insurgents and there is no evidencetl to support this claim, nor is there any admission of culpability from the state. You have attached the flag of Pakistan's state apparatus to this attack. It is the very definition of "false flag", proudly waved aloft by the nation who is currently hiding its jets from French auditors as a result of its false flag misadventure.

Pakistan's state had nothing to do with this attack.

Meanwhile, India's state apparatus has deliberately targeted civilian buildings and unlawfully killed civilians in those buildings, and has also declared its intent to deprive our civilians of water supplies. The highest levels of government in India proudly declared this targeting of civilians, by way of missile attacks and by eay of river diversion respectively.

India has declared culpability in terrorism against Pakistani civilians.

Pakistan has neither declared culpability in the Pahalgam attack, nor has India proved it through its own evidence.
 
Baibers_1260 said:
Agree 100% with just one additional piece of information:
The Pakistan Resolution of 1940 called for two autonomous states in East and West of India linked in a confederation in a mutual defense, foreign policy currency and communications but otherwise economically and politically autonomous . The 1971 Civil War resulted in two states and we are now moving closer to the original concept of the "two autonomous states in alliance ". The original state envisaged in 1940 was much larger than the current state of Bangladesh. It was in fact supposed to have comprised all of Assam, parts of North Eastern Bihar and six districts of West Bengal (Murshidabad, Malda etc.). The country was supposed to have been called Bangsham,

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Meengla said:
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The guy you quoted is perhaps envisioning an Iran-Iraq 1980s war or the World War I and II waves of forces. But let's look at Kashmir's geography: Hilly and heavily wooded. A person can literally cross the LoC on a foot bridge. Or 200,000 volunteers willing to die could cross using temp bridges from many locations under the artillery cover of Pakistani Army. Fortunately or unfortunately, there are hundreds of thousands of Pakistani civilians living in the north who have been involved in mountain warfare for almost 5 decades. And behind the enemy lines are the millions of...
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The discussion about the then East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) is a little off topic but since we are on it, here is a video and it is important to watch this because Pakistanis have been breast beating about the loss of East Pakistan for over half a century and blaming Ayub Khan, Yahya Khan, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, the so-called Punjabi supremacists in Pakistan... blah blah. But IMO, the East Pakistan was NEVER supposed to be part of 'Pakistan' as it became a part of: At most a Confederacy. Also, IMO, the East Pakistanis are simply too different from the West Pakistanis and they even challenged the founder of Pakistan Mr. Jinnah in 1948 over the language issue (Urdu being the national language); while I empathize with them but that also underscores one bitter truth: This was a marriage which was destined for a divorce from Day One. I wish the Bangladeshis well but I also don't want to be in some breast beating mode over the '3 million killed' blah blah India propaganda about the 1971 war and I am NOT going to apologize to Bangladesh for any false propaganda originated from India!

Here is a video which, sadly, didn't get much attention but IMO is factual about the secession of East Pakistan. English captions available.

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Indians go to sleep every night with this bizarre obsession, just like this useless stuttering and stammering excuse for a journalist here, that somehow Pakistan is not "important enough" for China to offer any assistance to them against indian hegemony.

Do Indians not know yet what a PL-15 is??
 
NationalistPKDude132 said:
The winner of this conflict though was ultimately china. Got a huge PR boost with weapons after PAF counter attacked IAF effectively. Stocks went up and they smell money and thats why they are giving us more stuff
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Another aspect ignored by most is that china too would now want to test their other systems if not the very best than atleast the second best. I think they can now gave us their best with very small amount just for testing those in real combat scenarios.
 
That_Guy said:
I'm convinced she's in Pakistani custody, and Pakistan kept quiet about it at the request of the US and India in order to facilitate a ceasefire.

If she's in India, all India would have to do is present her.

Heck, a local Indian street journalist just needs to visit her house and take a picture of her there.

Yet, no photos, no videos, not even an audio-call to a media outlet or through military channels.

Pakistan has her, and unless India proves otherwise, I'm convinced she'll stay in Pakistani custody until a proper negotiation can be settled upon.
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What is most laughable is that for every darned rumor Pakisatni folks here want help of Indian side to prove it. Its beyond hilarious! :ROFLMAO:
 
Maarkhoor said:
Are you laughing or just crying behind half open door.?
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You tell me, since May 10th till date people here are searching for some female rafale pilot. LOL! Every darned rumor has been spun about her. And now they want Indian media to produce her pictures or videos. :ROFLMAO::rofl:
 
Vox Non Dei said:
What is most laughable is that for every darned rumor Pakisatni folks here want help of Indian side to prove it. Its beyond hilarious! :ROFLMAO:
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not sure if you feel but your country of origin has itself humiliated its own military by not recognizing its dead pilots and others killed in the line of duty.
Not sure if you can laugh on that, its dehumanizing behaviour for the Govt as well as Military leadership.
 
PK781 said:
not sure if you feel but your country of origin has itself humiliated its own military by not recognizing its dead pilots and others killed in the line of duty.
Not sure if you can laugh on that, its dehumanizing behaviour for the Govt as well as Military leadership.
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Country of my origin has clearly stated that all pilots are back home.

I do not know where this weird idea that Indian Pilots have died is coming. Do you folks have some official/government/military source or is this all twitter BS?
 
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