Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[BigMela2onin]

lost my entire 7 day victory plan

Mossad, you win this time

Why, what happened?

 

[Persian Gulf]

Why, what happened?

website was hacked, earlier saved version was restored, all posts in the last 12-24 hours were lost

 

[vmro]

I thought it was just me, mossad and/or hgc tasking me to support bitcoin scam... :|

 

[Liquidator]

I got a msg with a download link....
Hope nobody did it

 

[Persian Gulf]

IAEA DG Grossi to Financial Times: Iran's most sensitive nuclear sites are "half a mile underground"

 

[ShapurII]

I'd argue that the sin was the inability to form even a semi-decent oppositional alternative for almost half a decade now. What real alternatives to IR do we have right now? Some MEK monkeys hiding in Albania and the old Shah's failson who can't even keep the loyalty of his own wife? There seem to be no domestic movements other than sporadic protests vaguely organized around some CIA twitter hashtag every few years. So in that sense maybe Iranians deserve what they have.

It's not that simple. The IR has, particularly in the first decade of the revolution, assassinated figures who were truly patriotic and independent but opposed the regime and its domestic policies. At the same time, the regime has allowed anti-national figures to roam freely as a means of instilling fear of separatism and other radical ideologies like that of the MEK in people. You can clearly see how the regime treats people who visit the tomb of Cyrus the Great, and how it deals with separatism in the stadium of Yadegar-e Imam.

This has forced the Iranian opposition, who used to be patriotic. to either step aside in fear of consequences or to align themselves with foreign countries to survive and have a voice. The opposition at this point is truly compromised, which has left Iranians with no choice but to tolerate the regime. And that's exactly what the regime wants.

I think you are right, if Iran is invaded, will Iranians rise up and defend their nation? If not, then it will be permanently destroyed this time around.

It will be too late. If Iran gets invaded, they will do much worse than they did in Iraq to us.

 

[ShapurII]

I think you're wrong at this point. Khamenei cannot wake up and abandon the table. That would be interpreted as a closed door to negotiation and would be used by zionists media to allow future strikes. Khamenei is smart and is paying the the role of negotiator to the end. But I agree with you that after Irak, Gaza, Yemen and Lebanon Iran must be aware that complete destruction is fully accepted by western countries as diplomatic policy.

If he truly believes that the US can't do a damn thing, why not?
Why do you negotiate with the US if you believe that they can't do a damn thing and they won't lift the sanctions? What's the point?

 

[ShapurII]

website was hacked, earlier saved version was restored, all posts in the last 12-24 hours were lost

When did this happen?

 

[vmro]

When did this happen?

From cctv can prove that on coffe Intermezzo, 1 pm officially approved, today after 1pm but before 1:30pm, they caught me, I thought that they are bribing me with some coins but my anti-virus disagreed...

 

[ShapurII]

From cctv can prove that on coffe Intermezzo, 1 pm officially approved, today after 1pm but before 1:30pm, they caught me, I thought that they are bribing me with some coins but my anti-virus disagreed...

What? It happened today?!
What do you mean your anti-virus disagreed?
Was the website defaced? What happened exactly?

 

[Persian Gulf]

What? It happened today?!
What do you mean your anti-virus disagreed?
Was the website defaced? What happened exactly?

The website was hacked earlier today and some Russian scam link replaced it. I posted a screenshot in another thread. Now it has been restored to a prior state meaning we lost some posts. That's it.

 

[vmro]

If he truly believes that the US can't do a damn thing, why not?
Why do you negotiate with the US if you believe that they can't do a damn thing and they won't lift the sanctions? What's the point?

I have heard some unconfirmed "quotes" from Iranian leadership that among them is very influential structure or mutual understanding that for Iran having USA to own opponents is beneficial shock operation for reinventing Iran to major power elite club after Qajar's unhappy era and oiled curse afterwards...

Society has to be proactive, competitive, improving, cohesive to survive competition with super-power, politics must be actively involved in the battle, diplomacy as first shield, army will be as self-esteem as possible...

I am almost sure that some analysis on this aspect are viewed in Iran by some influential sources.... and this is also very complex and multilevel platform, with also many of own pros and cons...

 

[tsunset]

IAEA DG Grossi to Financial Times: Iran's most sensitive nuclear sites are "half a mile underground"

So 800 meters underground? This sounds exaggerated

 

[ShapurII]

So 800 meters underground? This sounds exaggerated

He's probably talking about the length of the entrance tunnel.

 

[FUB]

Honestly I would love to talk to khamenei, hajizadeh etc. so I can actually know what’s going on. Iran is one mass protest away from collapse, the currency ist broken, the birthrate is terrible and this deal will never happen. Israel will clean Gaza and we simply cannot stop them. So we are losing on every front. Even politically this republic becomes more and more questioned by everyone in Iran. There is no next rahbar character. We became a dead hollow „democracy“ with low Carisma figures like Europe or the us. Basically Nobody believes in the system khamenei is the glue holding it all together at least that’s how it feels to me. So the only way forward is a war. I simply cannot imagine an alternative for Iran all other options are instant losses. The war will be catastrophic but at least it’s not entirely doomed like the other options or the old stratigic patients model. Maybe irans faith is that of the uddsr

What the US and Israel want for Iran is the opposite of what you think. IRI's biggest problem is internal. It is corrupt. Iran needs a coup d'état ( I doubt there are any leaders left in the IRCG that are not corrupt). All of the elites need to be arrested, stripped of their wealth, and tried for treason. In reality, Iran does not need Europe, except for Germany. If Iran had a leader like Putin, the maximum pressure and sanctions could not damage the economy like they have.

The problem is that people like Shamkhani, Rohani, as well as the rest of the ruling class, are getting richer from the misery of the Iranian people. They are fine with the sanctions and isolation. They do not want change.
The US wants regime change to implement the Syria or Libyan model. Take a look at former Yugoslavia, Serbia, or Ukraine, and you will understand. This is not about nuclear weapons; it is about competition and influence. Cold War 2.0 is unfolding, and Iran is a piece on the chessboard of the great game.

The US wants complete capitulation and disintegration so that it can create more fake countries like Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Qatar. The US will let them stay in power as long as they sell oil and buy from us.

Iran is better off today under these conditions. The alternative is disintegration and devastation. It is Israel that dictates US foreign policy. Israel wants regime change in Iran.