Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[LittleFish]

I gave answers and asked you to provide additional suggestions for how Iran should attack Israel.

I didn’t see your answers before the website breakdown.

As for suggestions, to be honest, I can’t come up with one, since Iran has lost Hamas and Alawitestan, and Hezbollah has been weakened badly, which means you cannot launch ground assaults to Israel.

Kamikaze drones are unreliable facing US and Israel, and conventional BM is of low cost-performance ratio, and IRIAF is not capable enough to carry out effective airstrikes. If Israel and US (and maybe I should count Arabs in) determine to attack Iran, only thousands of conventional BMs and drones cannot stop them.

 

[vmro]

I didn’t see your answers before the website breakdown.

As for suggestions, to be honest, I can’t come up with one, since Iran has lost Hamas and Alawitestan, and Hezbollah has been weakened badly, which means you cannot launch ground assaults to Israel.

Kamikaze drones are unreliable facing US and Israel, and conventional BM is of low cost-performance ratio, and IRIAF is not capable enough to carry out effective airstrikes.

Israel is also weakened badly, which means in practice: Judeo-radicals in Israel are still against serving in idf for religious reasons, idf says that they will be mobilized at any cost even forcefully if the problem remains, if idf use force for mobilization Bibi's coalition will not survive because of religious parties in the government, if Bibi alow their rejection of military service that will be dangerous example for future recruits and anger in idf structures..

And that is one of indicators about beginning of the end... Erosion and fractures in the system...and solution for such issues is almost mission impossible...

 

[Persian Gulf]

I didn’t see your answers before the website breakdown.

As for suggestions, to be honest, I can’t come up with one, since Iran has lost Hamas and Alawitestan, and Hezbollah has been weakened badly, which means you cannot launch ground assaults to Israel.

Kamikaze drones are unreliable facing US and Israel, and conventional BM is of low cost-performance ratio, and IRIAF is not capable enough to carry out effective airstrikes. If Israel and US (and maybe I should count Arabs in) determine to attack Iran, only thousands of conventional BMs and drones cannot stop them.

you are fired from the brainstorming committee

 

[LittleFish]

Israel is also weakened badly, which means in practice: Judeo-radicals in Israel are still against serving in idf for religious reasons, idf says that they will be mobilized at any cost even forcefully if the problem remains, if idf use force for mobilization Bibi's coalition will not survive because of religious parties in the government, if Bibi alow their rejection of military service that will be dangerous example for future recruits and anger in idf structures..

And that is one of indicators about beginning of the end... Erosion and fractures in the system...and solution for such issues is almost mission impossible...

It doesn’t matter much since Israel won’t launch ground assaults against Iran.

Actually, what we discuss here is how to stop the potential massive joint airstrikes of Israel and US aiming to destroy the nuclear capability of Iran.

 

[LittleFish]

you are fired from the brainstorming committee

I think such discussions about your country’s fate should be serious and reasonable. Brainstorms can’t defeat Zionist’s’ long-planned plots.

 

[ShapurII]

It doesn’t matter much since Israel won’t launch ground assaults against Iran.

Actually, what we discuss here is how to stop the potential massive joint airstrikes of Israel and US aiming to destroy the nuclear capability of Iran.

I'm not worried about the "nuclear capability" of Iran and I doubt it could be destroyed by any military strike, short of using tactical nukes. Our nuclear infrastructure is well-protected. I mean truly well-protected.

What I'm afraid of is the destruction of Iranian infrastructure. The Iranian economy is already on the verge of collapse.

 

[LittleFish]

I'm not worried about the "nuclear capability" of Iran and I doubt it could be destroyed by any military strike, short of using tactical nukes. Our nuclear infrastructure is well-protected. I mean truly well-protected.

What I'm afraid of is the destruction of Iranian infrastructure. The Iranian economy is already on the verge of collapse.

Yes, if they find it hard to bomb underground nuclear facilities, then key infrastructures will be their targets

 

[925boy]

You know this impasse, even if its an impasse, as long as the status quo is kept with negotiations, Iran is still winning, b/c those centrifuges are still churning, 50% of the 60% HEU Iran has on hand has been produced in the last 3 months. Another 3 months, and its going to be around 600Kg of 60% HEU. And that 15 warheads approximately.

I agree.

PLUUUS....US's latest military performance (and exhaustion) against Yemen surely didnt make Iran feel it needed to "urgently" resolve its nuclear program's issues with the US.

Because the Ukraine conflict has been a huge disaster for US (and NATO), US will have to forfeit any idea of striking Iran if it wants to have ANY CHANCE of containing China if war breaks out.

 

[BigMela2onin]

Honestly, Iranians do look like Italians for real. Not the Italians from the North with Celtic blood, or mixed with Slavs or Germans, but the Italians in the South in places like Sicily look very much like Iranians.

Northern Iran is at the same latitude as Sicily, similar level of sun exposure and need for melanin in the skin.

 

[ShapurII]

Northern Iran is at the same latitude as Sicily, similar level of sun exposure and need for melanin in the skin.

There are people in Sicily that look like people from Yazd or Kerman.

 

[FUB]

I know that the complexion of skin or the color of eyes are serious psychological complexes for people from the Indian subcontinent like Pakistan, India and Bangladesh (which is presumably the region you are from), but Iranians do not care about that at all.

Do you think Russians are black? Are you stupid? Most Europeans are less white than Slavs, and other than Northern Europe, it's hard to find blue eyes in Europe more than in Russia ) Even Tatars in Russia can be blue eyed. lol Slavs are possibly the whitest group of people in Europe, and possibly the most racist and xenophobic of them all.

Russians and the Chinese have been thoroughly tested for over 2 decades. They are the most unreliable people you can find. The best hypothetical situation that can happen to Iran is Iran gets invaded by the US and they force the new puppet regime to cut all ties with these assholes.

You missed my point. Go look at the exchanges between Zarif and John Kerry, and you will understand what I am trying to say. As for the Chinese, who is buying all of Iran's oil? China. They do not give a flying F..k about US unilateral sanctions. What does Iran need from France? Cheese, wine, what? How about Italy? Shoes, cars?
This government is corrupt. They are bending over to sell oil to Europe. Europe is not going to buy pharmaceuticals, gas turbines, concrete, textiles, ( maybe) arms, power plants, engineering services, or anything significant from Iran. The Russians will and already have.

The last three decades

Category	China	Russia	Western Europe
Technology Transfer Agreements	25-Year Strategic Cooperation Agreement (2021)	Strategic Partnership Treaty (2025)	Suspended Bilateral Agreements (Post-2010s)
Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) in High Tech	Belt and Road High-Tech Investments (5G, AI, Logistics)	Energy & Defense-Sector Investments	Minimal Due to Sanctions Risk
Military/Defense Tech Collaboration	Drone & Missile Tech Transfers (Dual-Use)	Co-Production of Drones, Arms Sales	None (EU Arms Embargo)
Nuclear Tech Cooperation	Nuclear Fuel Assistance & Reactor Projects	Bushehr Nuclear Plant Collaboration	Cooperation Halted After JCPOA Collapse
University Partnerships & Exchanges	Confucius Institutes, Language Chairs, Mutual Scholarships	Saint Petersburg Polytechnic Branch in Iran	Stalled or Canceled University MoUs
Industrial R&D Collaboration	Smart Cities, Green Energy, Health Tech Initiatives	Defense, Aviation, and Energy R&D	Largely Absent R&D Engagement
Sanctions or Restrictions Impacting Tech Access	Private-Public Workarounds to U.S./EU Sanctions	Selective Sanctions; Tech Ties Persist	EU Tech Export Prohibitions

Projects already implemented by the Chinese.

• Chinese companies have begun upgrading several Iranian oil refineries and have invested in petrochemical projects.
• Huawei has been involved in developing Iran's telecommunications infrastructure, including 5G technology.
• The two countries have conducted joint naval exercises in the Persian Gulf to enhance military cooperation.
• Confucius Institutes have been established in major Iranian cities, promoting cultural exchange.

Projects already implemented by Russia.
It is public knowledge that there is a deep defensive cooperation, so there is no need to rehash.

• Russia has commenced work on additional units at the Bushehr Nuclear Power Plant.
• Delivery of S-400 missile systems to Iran has been completed.
• Joint military drills have been conducted in the Caspian Sea region.
• Russian language centers have been inaugurated in Tehran and other major cities.

Now you tell me, why does Iran need Europe? Europeans will need Iran's oil and gas, but Iran does not need anything from Western Europe.

 

[FUB]

Tel Aviv has given the order. 100% it will happen. The US will deny involvement, Iran will retaliate, and the US joins to defend Israel.
If Iranian planners are savvy, Jet-powered Shaheds and Hypersonics have been built to the tune of tens of thousands.

Trump warns of possible military action if Iran enriches more uranium: ‘Going to have no choice’​

WASHINGTON — President Trump warned Friday that Iran will not be allowed to enrich uranium — hinting at possible military strikes following the revelation that Tehran has been secretly building out a near weapons-grade nuclear program for months.

“They won’t be enriching. If they enrich, then we’re going to have to do it the other way,” Trump told reporters aboard Air Force One on Friday.

“And I don’t really want to do it the other way but we’re going to have no choice,” he added. “There’s not going to be enrichment.”

Trump warns of possible military action if Iran enriches more uranium: ‘Going to have no choice’

“They won’t be enriching. If they enrich, then we’re going to have to do it the other way,” Trump told reporters aboard Air Force One on Friday.

nypost.com

 

[ShapurII]

OK. I will address your bullet points first:

Projects already implemented by the Chinese.

• Chinese companies have begun upgrading several Iranian oil refineries and have invested in petrochemical projects.
• Huawei has been involved in developing Iran's telecommunications infrastructure, including 5G technology.
• The two countries have conducted joint naval exercises in the Persian Gulf to enhance military cooperation.
• Confucius Institutes have been established in major Iranian cities, promoting cultural exchange.

1. That's news to me. Do you have a proof for China upgrading our oil refineries and investing in our petrochemical projects?
2. I don't deny the second one. Our 5G technology is based on Chinese tech, but the equipment have been acquired through the black market, not legally.
3. So what? Who cares about a joint naval exercise? lol
4. Again, who cares? Germany has Goethe institute in Tehran as well. What's your point? France even offered dual PhD studies in Iran just a few years ago. You would've obtained two PhDs, one from an Iranian university and one from a French university at the same time.

Projects already implemented by Russia.
It is public knowledge that there is a deep defensive cooperation, so there is no need to rehash.

• Russia has commenced work on additional units at the Bushehr Nuclear Power Plant.
• Delivery of S-400 missile systems to Iran has been completed.
• Joint military drills have been conducted in the Caspian Sea region.
• Russian language centers have been inaugurated in Tehran and other major cities.

Now you tell me, why does Iran need Europe? Europeans will need Iran's oil and gas, but Iran does not need anything from Western Europe.

1. It took them 20 years to finish one nuclear reactor. They are already overdue in the second and the third units as well.
2. Bullshit. Iran has S-300 PMU-2. Russia refused to deliver the system on time and used UNSC sanctions as an excuse.
3. Again, who cares? Russia has been playing against Iran's interests in both the Caucasus and the Caspian Sea.
4. Refer to what I said about China.

List of projects that the Chinese left unfinished, off the top of my head:
1. Tehran-Shomal Highway.
2. Tehran metro.
3. South-Pars gas field. There are even rumors that China sold confidential data to Qatar.
4. IR-40 redesign of the reactor, which was part of the JCPOA. A resolution passed by the UNSC.

List of projects and deals that the Russians have failed to fulfill, again off the top of my head:
1. Shafaq Project
2. S-300 deal
3. Sukhoi-35 deal

Both countries not only did not veto 4 rounds of crippling UNSC resolutions against Iran, but sometimes they even voted in favor of those resolutions when they had excellent economic and political ties with us. They blocked Iran's request to join the BRICS for more than 8 years. Russia has banned Iranians from studying nuclear engineering in their universities. Iranian students cannot open bank accounts in China. Do I need to continue?

Zarif is a treasonous c*nt, but at least he tried to restore our relations with the US or change the image of Iran in the media. That's probably the only positive thing that that asshole did during his years of disservice as the Minister of Foreign Affairs.

 

[ShapurII]

Category	China	Russia	Western Europe
Technology Transfer Agreements	25-Year Strategic Cooperation Agreement (2021)	Strategic Partnership Treaty (2025)	Suspended Bilateral Agreements (Post-2010s)
Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) in High Tech	Belt and Road High-Tech Investments (5G, AI, Logistics)	Energy & Defense-Sector Investments	Minimal Due to Sanctions Risk
Military/Defense Tech Collaboration	Drone & Missile Tech Transfers (Dual-Use)	Co-Production of Drones, Arms Sales	None (EU Arms Embargo)
Nuclear Tech Cooperation	Nuclear Fuel Assistance & Reactor Projects	Bushehr Nuclear Plant Collaboration	Cooperation Halted After JCPOA Collapse
University Partnerships & Exchanges	Confucius Institutes, Language Chairs, Mutual Scholarships	Saint Petersburg Polytechnic Branch in Iran	Stalled or Canceled University MoUs
Industrial R&D Collaboration	Smart Cities, Green Energy, Health Tech Initiatives	Defense, Aviation, and Energy R&D	Largely Absent R&D Engagement
Sanctions or Restrictions Impacting Tech Access	Private-Public Workarounds to U.S./EU Sanctions	Selective Sanctions; Tech Ties Persist	EU Tech Export Prohibitions

Most of the data in this table are based on fiction. It is misinformation, formatted as a table.

 

[vmro]

You missed my point. Go look at the exchanges between Zarif and John Kerry, and you will understand what I am trying to say. As for the Chinese, who is buying all of Iran's oil? China. They do not give a flying F..k about US unilateral sanctions. What does Iran need from France? Cheese, wine, what? How about Italy? Shoes, cars?
This government is corrupt. They are bending over to sell oil to Europe. Europe is not going to buy pharmaceuticals, gas turbines, concrete, textiles, ( maybe) arms, power plants, engineering services, or anything significant from Iran. The Russians will and already have.

The last three decades

Category	China	Russia	Western Europe
Technology Transfer Agreements	25-Year Strategic Cooperation Agreement (2021)	Strategic Partnership Treaty (2025)	Suspended Bilateral Agreements (Post-2010s)
Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) in High Tech	Belt and Road High-Tech Investments (5G, AI, Logistics)	Energy & Defense-Sector Investments	Minimal Due to Sanctions Risk
Military/Defense Tech Collaboration	Drone & Missile Tech Transfers (Dual-Use)	Co-Production of Drones, Arms Sales	None (EU Arms Embargo)
Nuclear Tech Cooperation	Nuclear Fuel Assistance & Reactor Projects	Bushehr Nuclear Plant Collaboration	Cooperation Halted After JCPOA Collapse
University Partnerships & Exchanges	Confucius Institutes, Language Chairs, Mutual Scholarships	Saint Petersburg Polytechnic Branch in Iran	Stalled or Canceled University MoUs
Industrial R&D Collaboration	Smart Cities, Green Energy, Health Tech Initiatives	Defense, Aviation, and Energy R&D	Largely Absent R&D Engagement
Sanctions or Restrictions Impacting Tech Access	Private-Public Workarounds to U.S./EU Sanctions	Selective Sanctions; Tech Ties Persist	EU Tech Export Prohibitions

Projects already implemented by the Chinese.

• Chinese companies have begun upgrading several Iranian oil refineries and have invested in petrochemical projects.
• Huawei has been involved in developing Iran's telecommunications infrastructure, including 5G technology.
• The two countries have conducted joint naval exercises in the Persian Gulf to enhance military cooperation.
• Confucius Institutes have been established in major Iranian cities, promoting cultural exchange.

Projects already implemented by Russia.
It is public knowledge that there is a deep defensive cooperation, so there is no need to rehash.

• Russia has commenced work on additional units at the Bushehr Nuclear Power Plant.
• Delivery of S-400 missile systems to Iran has been completed.
• Joint military drills have been conducted in the Caspian Sea region.
• Russian language centers have been inaugurated in Tehran and other major cities.

Now you tell me, why does Iran need Europe? Europeans will need Iran's oil and gas, but Iran does not need anything from Western Europe.

No one with min. functional common sense should take Europe as serious factor for any planning, Europe is going slowly but surely to self-given euthanasia as final solution...


I mean, taking Europe seriously is something like offering alliance to Mongolia today and to expect gigantic territorial advances in Eurasia tomorrow, despite having almost millenia period after their expansion and fall... Europe is going to the end for good.