Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[NationalistPKDude132]

What the US and Israel want for Iran is the opposite of what you think. IRI's biggest problem is internal. It is corrupt. Iran needs a coup d'état ( I doubt there are any leaders left in the IRCG that are not corrupt). All of the elites need to be arrested, stripped of their wealth, and tried for treason. In reality, Iran does not need Europe, except for Germany. If Iran had a leader like Putin, the maximum pressure and sanctions could not damage the economy like they have.

The problem is that people like Shamkhani, Rohani, as well as the rest of the ruling class, are getting richer from the misery of the Iranian people. They are fine with the sanctions and isolation. They do not want change.
The US wants regime change to implement the Syria or Libyan model. Take a look at former Yugoslavia, Serbia, or Ukraine, and you will understand. This is not about nuclear weapons; it is about competition and influence. Cold War 2.0 is unfolding, and Iran is a piece on the chessboard of the great game.

The US wants complete capitulation and disintegration so that it can create more fake countries like Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Qatar. The US will let them stay in power as long as they sell oil and buy from us.

Iran is better off today under these conditions. The alternative is disintegration and devastation. It is Israel that dictates US foreign policy. Israel wants regime change in Iran.

I mean Authoritarianism works for iran honestly

Their cities look quite developed. Not turkey level but almost there.

But there is radical islamists ruling there.

 

[Flotilla]

If he truly believes that the US can't do a damn thing, why not?
Why do you negotiate with the US if you believe that they can't do a damn thing and they won't lift the sanctions? What's the point?

First, earn time for preparing the leap to nuclear devices.
Second, harm the Trump´s reputation.
But it is possible to reach an agreement. Just milk the cow. The Leader is doing it good IMO.

 

[BigMela2onin]

This has forced the Iranian opposition, who used to be patriotic. to either step aside in fear of consequences or to align themselves with foreign countries to survive and have a voice. The opposition at this point is truly compromised, which has left Iranians with no choice but to tolerate the regime. And that's exactly what the regime wants.

Well plenty of opposition movements are repressed, that's why successful oppositions have armed wings. Non-violent opposition basically never succeeds even with mass international support. I'm not aware of any armed opposition groups that aren't ethnic minority separatists and Iranians are too politically stunted to form a national ideology people would fight and die for.
And sure you often need foreign support but Iranian communists in the northwest sided with the USSR against Iran; even at a time when many third-world communists were siding with China against the USSR. MEK sided with Iraq against their own people in a direct war, putting aside the weird cult stuff that makes them so off putting. The Shah killed his own people in the streets to defend his westernized vision of Iran, and who exactly would want to die for modern western debt capitalism now? Iran is an ideological desert. The only ones willing to fight are Islamists and modern political Islam has been a massive failure everywhere.

It will be too late. If Iran gets invaded, they will do much worse than they did in Iraq to us.

It will be bad but even Taliban fought long enough that the US withdrew. But again, I don't think Iranians are capable or willing to sustain such a long insurgency. If an actual war and not just limited strikes happen, probably Iran will never exist again, probably millions will die like in Iraq and the balkanization will be permanent like Yugoslavia - but unlike Serbia, they probably won't even allow a hypothetical post-dissolution Persian ethnostate in the central desert to exist.

 

[BigMela2onin]

The US wants regime change to implement the Syria or Libyan model. Take a look at former Yugoslavia, Serbia, or Ukraine, and you will understand. This is not about nuclear weapons; it is about competition and influence. Cold War 2.0 is unfolding, and Iran is a piece on the chessboard of the great game.

It's a shame that Iran didn't learn from Sukarno and the fate of the NAM in Cold War 1.0 that fence sitting isn't a smart idea. Even other Islamists picked a side then; it was the west, look at Zia in Pakistan. If they wanted to stand against the West, the should have sided with the East explicitly instead of crying about neither east nor west. Maybe if other major powers had a vested interest in not letting Iran be destroyed, it wouldn't be facing such a fate now. Better to be the chess player than the chess piece.

 

[Persian Gulf]

@AZ_HighCountry since you replied to my post on the 7 day victory plan, want to help me recreate it? lol

 

[FUB]

For some reason, these idiots have a fascination with Westerners in Europe. They see themselves as inferior to the blue-eyed blondes. They have their children and families abroad in the UK, Canada, and the US. China has everything Iran needs, but they keep jerking them off. By now, both Russia and China see Iran as an unreliable partner.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

@AZ_HighCountry since you replied to my post on the 7 day victory plan, want to help me recreate it? lol

Sure, my contribution was:

"Only one problem with that plan. Israel gets a vote too."

 

[LittleFish]

@AZ_HighCountry since you replied to my post on the 7 day victory plan, want to help me recreate it? lol

My reply to your 7 day plan got lost too. I just wonder why not launch all BM and drones asap than split into a week, and what would you do after all your cards run out.

 

[ShapurII]

For some reason, these idiots have a fascination with Westerners in Europe. They see themselves as inferior to the blue-eyed blondes. They have their children and families abroad in the UK, Canada, and the US. China has everything Iran needs, but they keep jerking them off. By now, both Russia and China see Iran as an unreliable partner.

I know that the complexion of skin or the color of eyes are serious psychological complexes for people from the Indian subcontinent like Pakistan, India and Bangladesh (which is presumably the region you are from), but Iranians do not care about that at all.

Do you think Russians are black? Are you stupid? Most Europeans are less white than Slavs, and other than Northern Europe, it's hard to find blue eyes in Europe more than in Russia ) Even Tatars in Russia can be blue eyed. lol Slavs are possibly the whitest group of people in Europe, and possibly the most racist and xenophobic of them all.

Russians and the Chinese have been thoroughly tested for over 2 decades. They are the most unreliable people you can find. The best hypothetical situation that can happen to Iran is Iran gets invaded by the US and they force the new puppet regime to cut all ties with these assholes.

 

[Persian Gulf]

I know that the complexion of skin or the color of eyes are serious psychological complexes for people from the Indian subcontinent like Pakistan, India and Bangladesh (which is presumably the region you are from), but Iranians do not care about that at all.

this is obviously not true

Pahlavi spread a lot of revisionist historical myths around Iran being an Aryan nation akin to Germany which persist today

Why do so many Iranians get nose jobs? Bleach their hair blonde? Let's not deny reality.

 

[Persian Gulf]

My reply to your 7 day plan got lost too. I just wonder why not launch all BM and drones asap than split into a week, and what would you do after all your cards run out.

I gave answers and asked you to provide additional suggestions for how Iran should attack Israel.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Trump has been escalating his rhetoric against Iran, emphasising Iran cannot be 'allowed' to enrich uranium at all

There will be no deal.

 

[ShapurII]

this is obviously not true

Pahlavi spread a lot of revisionist historical myths around Iran being an Aryan nation akin to Germany which persist today

Why do so many Iranians get nose jobs? Bleach their hair blonde? Let's not deny reality.

It was about our language similarities, not our appearances. The story that Pahlavi fed Iranians is a well-known one, about the migration of Indo-Europeans from Siberia.
Share one shred of proof that Pahlavi said Iranians looked like Germans.

Indo-European migrations - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That's a retarded thing to say. Why do so many Brazilians get their butts done? Why do so many Russians get their lips done? Why do so many Koreans get their jaws and eyes done? Why do so many Americans get their boobs done? A lot of people get cosmetic surgery from around the world. What a stupid thing to ask.

And most young women in Iran, at least from what I see, prefer not to dye their hair anymore. And the ones that do usually dye their hair different colors, including blonde, but also other colors like red, orange, purple, even blue and green.

 

[ShapurII]

Trump has been escalating his rhetoric against Iran, emphasising Iran cannot be 'allowed' to enrich uranium at all

There will be no deal.

So, what's the next step for Iran now?
I cannot think of even one option other than going nuclear.

 

[tsunset]

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