Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

Ali Mobin Memon said:
Indians didnt attack again. No balls. Pakistan zindabad. End of chapter. Pakistan reply will be remembered forever as perfect execution was witnessed.


Eid mubarak to all.
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They certailnly try to cash some brownie points, don't forget sir creek incident when they shoot down unarmed PN aircraft.

Indians are coward @iss drinker can't fight face to face but always do some cowardly acts.
 
Vkdindian1 said:
In 2019, apparently the Indian strike wasn’t successful as the satellite evidence was lacking and the weapons used didn’t give any data feedback to provide evidence for the strike being successful.

Then came PAF with slick videos of getting a lock on Indian targets and then breaking the lock to make the bomb fall a little away to show the capability without causing any damage. Intent - Not to escalate but to show that capability exists.

Come to 2025.

7th May - India launched weapons to destroy few targets. Adequate proof was available to show its success.
PAF in turn shot down few fighters and the PAF AVM gave a slick presentation with all the data to prove his claim.

Few days later there was also a claim of a successful strike on S400 using CM400 missile. This time however, there was no proof provided about the success of this attack.
AVM kept silent about it most likely due to obvious reasons.
Fanboys, however came down in full force to declare it a success.

Let’s assume that the strike was a success.

If it was a success, why weren’t there any strikes done like last time in 2019? PAF did not launch any attack at all against any IAF bases.
Pathankot, Bathinda, Jaisalmer and many other bases are located within 100 Kms from the IB.
What stopped PAF from attacking these bases with standoff weapons? Considering that S400 strike was a success and the location of remaining S400 was known, PAF should have launched these attacks freely. But it didn’t.

The fact is that, PAF was severely restricted in carrying out its operations unlike what has been claimed.

Most people are wary of discussing this aspect.
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If the S400 is the panacea it's meant to be and "restricted" PAF operations, how come it didn't stop the PAF from decimating the IAF on the first night? Where was the "no for zone" and "grounding the PAF" that you indians have been barking on about for years about the S400. Shouldn't it have provided the umbrella for your fighters with it's claimed 400km range? Yet your fighters were decimated, the S400 was ineffective. We could argue whether an S400 radar was hit, but if the CM400 strike wasn't DEAD, it was certainly SEAD, your S400 was forced offline, and had to be moved and hidden, even from modi's PR visit. As for visuals, in 2019 the H4 was used, which is optically guided, and therefore the PAF had video feed as proof. The CM400 is not optically guided, so the PAF has nothing like a video good to show, but there's enough evidence to suggest the CM400 got through. The fact is the PAF successfully countered the S400. You also have to remember, the Pak military dithered and took too long, two days, before responding, a mistake in hindsight. When they did respond on the evening of the 10th, it was too little to late, as the ceasefire then came.
 
Corax said:
If the S400 is the panacea it's meant to be and "restricted" PAF operations, how come it didn't stop the PAF from decimating the IAF on the first night? Where was the "no for zone" and "grounding the PAF" that you indians have been barking on about for years about the S400. Shouldn't it have provided the umbrella for your fighters with it's claimed 400km range?
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First day was a different story.
First day also S400 could have played a big deterrent but mandate was to strike only few targets and not to engage any military targets. By the time the loss of fighters dawned on IAF, it was too late for them to do anything as all aircraft had retreated by then.

H4 is optically guided is well known. My question is why couldn’t it be used if PAF had total control of the air with S400 not there to challenge them?
So destruction of S400 has taken place only on this forum not actually. Otherwise PAF would have made use of that opportunity to strike back. More so when IAF was pounding all over PAF bases.

Theory that ceasefire stopped them also doesn’t hold good. In a hot scenario each side is ready for all possibilities, which includes changing weapons as required. While striking S400 PAF would have worked out the plan after it is confirmed to be made non operational. As PAF didn’t try anything new shows that strike wasn’t a success.

Corax said:
Pak military dithered and took too long, two days, before responding, a mistake in hindsight.
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It is again a wrong notion being sold across. Before declaring Op Bunyan Masrros, there were waves of drones launched from your side to degrade Indian AD. On both 8th and 9th night AD was fully active on Indian side and there are multitudes of videos made by civilians of the same. It seems that the drone push didn’t work as planned. This was proven when Fatah assault was started.

Day one act of PAF was brilliant.
But thereafter your defence forces fell way short. In both defence as well as offence. In defence as Indian forces struck all across Pakistan with proof of success in the form of BDA. In offence as there is no damage at all to show on Indian side.

S400 destruction is based on tyre makes seen inside Adampur. No professional would accept it as anything other than speculation.
 
This thread is showing the severely painful mental gymnastics indians are having to go through in order to justify being militarily beaten by a nation that is 7× smaller than india AND despite india ALSO having the full backing of america, the west, israel and russia............ :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
Vkdindian1 said:
In 2019, apparently the Indian strike wasn’t successful as the satellite evidence was lacking and the weapons used didn’t give any data feedback to provide evidence for the strike being successful.

Then came PAF with slick videos of getting a lock on Indian targets and then breaking the lock to make the bomb fall a little away to show the capability without causing any damage. Intent - Not to escalate but to show that capability exists.

Come to 2025.

7th May - India launched weapons to destroy few targets. Adequate proof was available to show its success.
PAF in turn shot down few fighters and the PAF AVM gave a slick presentation with all the data to prove his claim.

Few days later there was also a claim of a successful strike on S400 using CM400 missile. This time however, there was no proof provided about the success of this attack.
AVM kept silent about it most likely due to obvious reasons.
Fanboys, however came down in full force to declare it a success.

Let’s assume that the strike was a success.

If it was a success, why weren’t there any strikes done like last time in 2019? PAF did not launch any attack at all against any IAF bases.
Pathankot, Bathinda, Jaisalmer and many other bases are located within 100 Kms from the IB.
What stopped PAF from attacking these bases with standoff weapons? Considering that S400 strike was a success and the location of remaining S400 was known, PAF should have launched these attacks freely. But it didn’t.

The fact is that, PAF was severely restricted in carrying out its operations unlike what has been claimed.

Most people are wary of discussing this aspect.
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O don’t claim the S400 because I haven’t seen ISPR officially claim it. I do however claim the 6-0 drubbing and humiliation IAF got including its most prized Ra-fail. As PAF was severely restricted, so was IAF infact even grounded for a few days😉. So end result PAF v IAF = 6-0🤩😂
 
Vkdindian1 said:
First day was a different story.
First day also S400 could have played a big deterrent but mandate was to strike only few targets and not to engage any military targets. By the time the loss of fighters dawned on IAF, it was too late for them to do anything as all aircraft had retreated by then.

H4 is optically guided is well known. My question is why couldn’t it be used if PAF had total control of the air with S400 not there to challenge them?
So destruction of S400 has taken place only on this forum not actually. Otherwise PAF would have made use of that opportunity to strike back. More so when IAF was pounding all over PAF bases.

Theory that ceasefire stopped them also doesn’t hold good. In a hot scenario each side is ready for all possibilities, which includes changing weapons as required. While striking S400 PAF would have worked out the plan after it is confirmed to be made non operational. As PAF didn’t try anything new shows that strike wasn’t a success.


It is again a wrong notion being sold across. Before declaring Op Bunyan Masrros, there were waves of drones launched from your side to degrade Indian AD. On both 8th and 9th night AD was fully active on Indian side and there are multitudes of videos made by civilians of the same. It seems that the drone push didn’t work as planned. This was proven when Fatah assault was started.

Day one act of PAF was brilliant.
But thereafter your defence forces fell way short. In both defence as well as offence. In defence as Indian forces struck all across Pakistan with proof of success in the form of BDA. In offence as there is no damage at all to show on Indian side.

S400 destruction is based on tyre makes seen inside Adampur. No professional would accept it as anything other than speculation.
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Thr H4 is not optimised for SEAD/DEAD, it's mainly employed for fixed targets amidst little threats from SAMs, and had a lower speed. The CM400 is specifically designed to neutralise high value targets from stand off ranges amidst intense threats from SAMs. After the first day, your IAF ran away to over 180km from the border to stay safe from the envelop of the PL15E, that's it, that's the only thing it achieved, from where it fired a token few Scalps and Brahmos maybe. The bulk of the strikes came from ground launched brahmos. Most of the brahmos and scalps were either defeated by soft kill means, or kinetic, there's plenty of pictures of downed brahmos and scalps, and AVM Aurangzeb provided details of soft kills. The Pak military responded to the indian escalation in kind, that was the mistake they made, drone strikes for drone strikes, missile strikes for missile strikes etc. they should have taken the offensive initiative much earlier. You clearly don't know the difference between SEAD/DEAD. The fact is that PAF's offensive against the S400 hundred had the desired affect, it forced you to shit it down and redeploy, or simply hide it away, as in the case of modi's visit. But you gloss over the main point, your IAF failed to fire a single A2A missile, and your S400 didn't even get off a single missile against the incoming PAF SEAD/DEAD mission. You failed to destroy a single high value asset, mostly hangars and a potholes in runways that were quickly patched up. The PAF kept up it's operations, while you lost at least 4 high value aircraft, maybe more, and possibly a couple of S400 radars. The Pak military struck 26 sites across india, even according to your own military. Absence of sat pics for the benefit of the likes of you is not evidence of the absence successful strikes against your assets, especially in the case of highly mobile assets like the S400, which was quicky moved and hidden, as the tire marks prove, I wonder why if there was nothing to worry about from incoming PAF strikes?!!
 
There has been no doubt about PAF getting better of the IAF on the first day.
Accepted. Great performance.

The issue is that most members want to keep gloating over that and don’t want to accept failure of there defence forces later.

S400 is a highly mobile system and a prized target for an enemy. Even a fool would not keep it deployed for even a moment more than bare minimum required. IAF did the same. Fanboys can’t digest this fact and for them tyre marks are an indication of its failure.

Claim that PAF struck 26 bases or 100 bases is a hollow claim. There is not even one hazy picture to show that they could make even one pockmark.

As per fanboys, IAF was grounded and S400 was hiding. Then what was PAF doing? Did it make use of that opportunity to strike anything?
All this while SU30s were lobbing Brahmos and other aircraft were firing Scalp and Rampage.

When a missile strikes 10 Kms from your national capital and GHQ then you don’t gloat but accept that the enemy did create a nasty surprise. Provided, one is not a Bhaktora or a fanboy.
 
Vkdindian1 said:
There has been no doubt about PAF getting better of the IAF on the first day.
Accepted. Great performance.

The issue is that most members want to keep gloating over that and don’t want to accept failure of there defence forces later.

S400 is a highly mobile system and a prized target for an enemy. Even a fool would not keep it deployed for even a moment more than bare minimum required. IAF did the same. Fanboys can’t digest this fact and for them tyre marks are an indication of its failure.

Claim that PAF struck 26 bases or 100 bases is a hollow claim. There is not even one hazy picture to show that they could make even one pockmark.

As per fanboys, IAF was grounded and S400 was hiding. Then what was PAF doing? Did it make use of that opportunity to strike anything?
All this while SU30s were lobbing Brahmos and other aircraft were firing Scalp and Rampage.

When a missile strikes 10 Kms from your national capital and GHQ then you don’t gloat but accept that the enemy did create a nasty surprise. Provided, one is not a Bhaktora or a fanboy.
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Pakistan's decision not to use its Babur and RAAD cruise missiles has nothing to do with restraint. These missiles are not as capable as advertised—much like Pakistan’s nuclear deterrence. There’s a reason why Indian leadership often refers to Pakistan's nuclear threat as a bluff.
 
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