Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

If US imposes total war on Iran then the response is to block oil and cause domestic problems for Trump and level every US base in the region. if they have to launch planes from 2000km away, the sortie rate will drop significantly

lack of will and decision making is a valid concern but this is really the put up or shut up moment so I think IRI is cornered and has to respond strongly

TP2 was a very strong response, except the missiles had 100-500m CEP rather than 10m as advertised, so now we think it was a weak response designed not to do any damage, which I do not think is true...
I agree with you on this. Iran does have the capacity to make things difficult for the US, but the lack of will and poor decision making are going to render our capabilities useless, particularly if they're not used in time. For us, it's all about timing. When it's too late, it's too late.

I think it was a bit of both. We have discussed this before, they didn't even attempt to target easy non-hardened, and very obvious ones, like the Control Towers.
 
Patriotism era starts now.

- Israel can only reliably hit Iran with aeroballistic missiles. These are powerful and accurate and Iran cannot intercept them. But they are not likely to be produced in massive numbers for a sustained campaign against Iran. And they cannot reach Fordow.

- Iran's missile waves would be more successful per wave as Israeli interceptors are depleted. We only saw two waves 6 months apart and the missile success rate increased from 9% to 30%. What happens if we see two waves per day? The success rate could plausibly increase to 60%+ very quickly, and then things would look very very bad for Israel very quickly.

- Iran has learned lessons from Operations True Promise I and II, improving reliability of warheads and introducing EO sensor for improved accuracy. With creative methods, this can produce drastically different results (40 precise impacts on Nevatim is hugely destructive compared to 40 off target impacts).

- Israel has been bleeding interceptors to face dozens of Yemeni ballistic missiles in the last few months, using 10 interceptors for 1 Yemeni missiles just yesterday. They are already starting from a lower baseline of inventory.

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Patriotism era starts now.

- Israel can only reliably hit Iran with aeroballistic missiles. These are powerful and accurate and Iran cannot intercept them. But they are not likely to be produced in massive numbers for a sustained campaign against Iran. And they cannot reach Fordow.

- Iran's missile waves would be more successful per wave as Israeli interceptors are depleted. We only saw two waves 6 months apart and the missile success rate increased from 9% to 30%. What happens if we see two waves per day? The success rate could plausibly increase to 60%+ very quickly, and then things would look very very bad for Israel very quickly.

- Iran has learned lessons from Operations True Promise I and II, improving reliability of warheads and introducing EO sensor for improved accuracy. With creative methods, this can produce drastically different results (40 precise impacts on Nevatim is hugely destructive compared to 40 off target impacts).

- Israel has been bleeding interceptors to face dozens of Yemeni ballistic missiles in the last few months, using 10 interceptors for 1 Yemeni missiles just yesterday. They are already starting from a lower baseline of inventory.

@ShapurII @GWXP @Hack-Hook @Mehdipersian @Immortals

Where is the “everything is awesome crowd”? I thought Iran was invincible? That everything was going according to an amazing “master plan” that we were too dumb to recognize.

Blame Raisi and our previous FM for watching Hamas get destroyed and saying nothing
Blame the Technocrats and Old Guard that wanted to enrich themselves at the expense of defending their brothers as they got murdered, killed, and picked off one by one by Israel/US
Blame the Supreme Leader when he didn’t start war when Solemani was assassinated
Blame Iran when Israel attacked Iranian soil and killed Iranian soldiers and civilian and they refused to do TP3 or respond

Now you have no Hezbollah, you have no Hamas, you have no Assad, you have no bases in Syria, you may also have no S-300’s that can reliably be used at full capacity due to primary fire control radars being destroyed.

Iran since 2020 has destroyed what took 3 decades to make.The only bright spot is Yemen and Houthi’s. But what can they do from that far away?

Remains to be seen if Neocons want war and that Trump has given up trying to stop it.
 
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I think we shouldn't be too pessimistic either. There's still a chance, and a very reasonable chance, that it's all just propaganda or a negotiation tactic.

Nothing is for sure yet. The situation is unpredictable and there's no significant military buildup that suggests an all-out war, or even a prolonged series of battles to destroy Iran's nuclear capability.
 
I've been saying forever. If this is gonna happen. Everyone knows about it beforehand (Arab governments, US, Israel, EU).

The plan is to trigger a hot war in Gulf Region (maybe short term) and push people of Gaza out of Gaza into Egypt, with Egyptian government full cooperation.

People will be distracted by Gulf war while Egypt claims it has to save people of Gaza.

Gulf Ceasefire will be made after ethnic cleansing of Gaza is done.

That all depends if they can beat the people of Iran and Gaza. If Iran responds in a unprecedented manner and people of Gaza fight against expulsion, it will end in failure.
 
This is posturing by trumpy, israel will never attack without trumpys blessings. They rely on the US for everything. If they did attack it should be viewed as US attack.
 
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LOL

Israel will not do anything. It's an attempt to scare Iran from conceding right to enrichment. No one takes Trump's deadlines seriously. He's a puppet controlled by the Jewish lobby. And they order to huff and puff whether it's against Europe, Gaza, or Iran. The Jewish lobby want to punish them for taking measures against genocidal Israel. The huff and puff no longer works.
 
I've been saying forever. If this is gonna happen. Everyone knows about it beforehand (Arab governments, US, Israel, EU).

The plan is to trigger a hot war in Gulf Region (maybe short term) and push people of Gaza out of Gaza into Egypt, with Egyptian government full cooperation.

People will be distracted by Gulf war while Egypt claims it has to save people of Gaza.

Gulf Ceasefire will be made after ethnic cleansing of Gaza is done.

That all depends if they can beat the people of Iran and Gaza. If Iran responds in a unprecedented manner and people of Gaza fight against expulsion, it will end in failure.
Persian Gulf

I think we shouldn't be too pessimistic either. There's still a chance, and a very reasonable chance, that it's all just propaganda or a negotiation tactic.

Nothing is for sure yet. The situation is unpredictable and there's no significant military buildup that suggests an all-out war, or even a prolonged series of battles to destroy Iran's nuclear capability.
I agree, very strong chance it is posturing for now but I think some form of escalation is inevitable in the near term

Where is the “everything is awesome crowd”? I thought Iran was invincible? That everything was going according to an amazing “master plan” that we were too dumb to recognize.

Blame Raisi and our previous FM for watching Hamas get destroyed and saying nothing
Blame the Technocrats and Old Guard that wanted to enrich themselves at the expense of defending their brothers as they got murdered, killed, and picked off one by one by Israel/US
Blame the Supreme Leader when he didn’t start war when Solemani was assassinated
Blame Iran when Israel attacked Iranian soil and killed Iranian soldiers and civilian and they refused to do TP3 or respond

Now you have no Hezbollah, you have no Hamas, you have no Assad, you have no bases in Syria, you may also have no S-300’s that can reliably be used at full capacity due to primary fire control radars being destroyed.

Iran since 2020 has destroyed what took 3 decades to make.The only bright spot is Yemen and Houthi’s. But what can they do from that far away?

Remains to be seen if Neocons want war and that Trump has given up trying to stop it.
I don't think you got the patriotism memo

we know all these things already, AoR is dead, mistakes were made, lost all deterrence, etc
 
Pretty brave of you from the comfort of UK and not Pakistan. What do you think would happen to Pakistan if they did what you say? Use logic when answering and not feelings/emotions like a chick.

Who do you think organized and controlled the Taliban to take the U.S and NATO out of Afghanistan after 20 years of efforts, over a trillion wasted and thousands of dead U.S troops?
 
This is posturing by trumpy, israel will never attack without trumpys blessings. They rely on the US for everything. If they did attack it should be viewed as US attack.
US economy is not living to expectations. The middle class has yet again been demoted to lower class due to inflation. The middle class is gonna explode any minute in the USA and US may resort to making a distraction.

People in US , the majority, do not have any purchasing power at all despite supposedly living in wealthiest nation. They're also tens of thousands in credit card debt on average. That's why Fox News and CNN work on overdrive to make them hate the 'other'.
 
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TACO or not TACO?
 
Nothing is more important than Strategic Clarity for Iran right now. If there is an attack on Iran then Iran must target Israel with a singular focus. Whatever Iran has at its disposal, Iran must fire it at Israel in the first couple of days of the attack.

Target Israel with a non stop barrage in the first 48 hours of hostilities. Target the nuclear installations, the industrial sites, the energy facilities, the transport & power infrastructure.

Let there be no tomorrow.

If there’s going to be a Zionist initiated war then it must be a war that dooms Israel as well.
 

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