Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

ShapurII said:
You provided them logistics for the invasion of Afghanistan. You allowed them to bomb your civilians in 2003. Let's not digress. This thread is about something else, but stop seeing everything as it is about racism. It's usually, almost always, about money instead of racism. If the IR falls and a puppet regime by Reza Pahlavi is installed, we will HAVE to be pro-American and pro-Zionist.

If the Americans and the Jews are fed with money and feel safe from us, they will leave us alone. The same kind of deal they have with the Saudis. And we have enough natural resources to give them what they want, and some Iranians are even more pro-Israel than Americans and Indians. So, Iran by itself is not a threat to them if it turns into a puppet state.
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At the time, Pakistan had NO other choice. I agree we should not digress here.

I will strongly disagree with you on the money part. As far as white europeans are concerned, it is ALWAYS about race. The white european israelis are genociding the Palestinians with impunity. Would they do that if the Palestinians were white europeans and not brown/olive-skinned Muslims?
 
Viet said:
yes, China probably a more reliable ally because China has a massive industrial complex
but I am not sure the Chinese love the Mullahs, in the same way they love Putin.
in my opinion the russians just have a bigger mouth.
I am little shocked of the weakness of Iran military.
The Israelis military has proven again they are world class, nobody comes close.
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Dude the world has self respect unlike Vietnam who love licking the feet of whites & Zionists who decimated them. nobody needs lessons from you.

Iran survived 8+ years of Iraq+ Israel + US. At that time Iraq hit them more every single day (including chemical weapons) than Israel can do in a month. they survived that, they can survive your little Zionist masters too no problem. Your Zionist masters could not control the tiny Gaza since last 2 years and you are calling them world class.

Don't insult humanity by calling those child murderers "world class". Or at least have some self respect for yourself before praising them.
 
Lots of people are editing the 2011 Interview of Satanyahu

the actual thing he said is yes Pakistan is a threat but more specifically a "A Taliban Taken Over pakistan" With nukes. Great thing we are a democracy still
 
Aggregate said:
Not everything is a Mullah fantasy. This is not about Iran being an Islamic country but Iran being a deterrence against Israel. Pakistan cannot afford Iran to fall, neither an China. The fact that Iran thanked 4 countries including Pakistan yesterday, says it all. This IS our war now by all means.
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A war against Iran is always a war against Pakistan. We share a border and it is in our best interest to have a friendly/semi-friendly government ruling over the country. The same is true for the Iranians. Neighbours need good neighbours.
 
Eşbah said:
Channel 13, quoting Israeli security official:

We can’t fully destroy Iran’s nuclear infrastructure — it’s clear this will end in a deal.

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If they succeed in undermining the regime to the point where it perceives a threat to its very existence, it is likely that they will consent to a demilitarized, non-nuclear Iran that poses no threat to anyone.

Keep in mind, this conflict revolves around power; religious beliefs take a backseat despite being so popular on the surface.

Any politician, regime, or party in power will prioritize its own survival over patriotism. Make no mistake. History consistently provides evidence that this is a recurring truth.

No doubt, Israel has the capacity to withstand and absorb the effects of every missile in Iran's arsenal thanks to US, French, British and German assistance in coordination with Jordan and the Gulf countries.

More significantly, they have successfully dismantled and hindered Iran's capability to restock its weapons supply. If Iran doesn't surprise us tonight with a significant impact on Israel, I don't think there's any hope left unfortunately.
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BS..

destruction was never the objective, degradation was!
 
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GWXP said:
Regarding the size of Iran's missile arsenal.

In 2010 US claimed Iran had 1000 ballistic missiles.

In 2020 General Kenneth McKenzie told the Senate Armed Services Committee that Iran has 2500-3000 ballistic missiles.

www.janes.com

Iran has 2,500-3,000 ballistic missiles, says CENTCOM commander

Iran’s primary way of threatening the US and its allies in the region is its inventory of about 2,500-3,000 ballistic missiles, US Central Command (CENTCOM) commander...
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That is increase of Iran's missile arsenal by 2000 missiles in a decade.

Before that, in 2019, McKenzie said that Iran has over 3000 ballistic missiles of various ranges.

This was 5 years ago and assuming annual production of 200 missiles per year, Iran could have accumulated 3800 missiles by 2024.

Some 150 missiles have been fired during TP-1 and TP-2, but recent intelligence reports claim that since October 2024 Iran has increased production of missiles to 50 missiles per month.

So 3000 missiles by 2020 and 3800 missiles by 2024 minus 150 missiles for TP-1 and TP-2 and you have 3650 missiles left by October 2024 and then Iran increases production rate to 50 missiles per month and increases Iranian arsenal by June 2025 -7 month*50 missiles= by another 350 new missiles.

In total by the time of Israeli attack, Iran could have had 4000 ballistic missiles not all of which are long range.

Minus 200 missiles fired this night and as of now Iran has 3800 missiles in total with monthly production rate of 50 new missiles per month.

But we don't know what portion of that missile arsenal has a range of 1300-1500kms.
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Ballistic missiles technology is for eventually being ready for non-conventional fitting. It's not a conventional alternative to firepower.

That's why Iran supported Hamas/Hezbollah with what they can. So Israel would have to contend with conventional threats on their borders.

But a good conventional tool was Shahed Drones. Iran helped Russia with tech transfer and building facilities to produce them in Russia. Russia apparently can build 7,000 of them or more a year. Question is where are Iran's?
 
PAKISTANFOREVER said:
At the time, Pakistan had NO other choice. I agree we should not digress here.

I will strongly disagree with you on the money part. As far as white europeans are concerned, it is ALWAYS about race. The white european israelis are genociding the Palestinians with impunity. Would they do that if the Palestinians were white europeans and not brown/olive-skinned Muslims?
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It is the Islamic ideology of the Palestinians that the Israelis do not want.
If Palestinians turned Jewish like them, the problem would've been resolved.

Many Israelis are also dark-skinned. Some are even darker than Palestinians. Not every Israeli looks like their Eastern European leadership.
 
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Degradation was the objective. They essentially did all of this with suffering almost zero consequences at home front.

Hundreds of Israeli's need to die immediately every day for Israel to think twice about these adventures. They lost 3 people and damage to 100 or so buildings which is price they're more than willing to pay.

Iran if it has capability has to deploy big amounts of firepower to make them regret it.
 
Any evidence of Russian and Chinese assistance to Iran at this moment?
 
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