Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

S.Y.A said:
the BMs will be shot down before they reach israel. need a platform that can get close enough undetected (sub-sea/stealth/whatever) and then launch whatever payload it carries. and in numbers. along with a strong EW and air defense network
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Thats exaclty the purpose of a carrier strike group.

Pakistan has no power projection ambitions, for now.

Pakistani warfighting doctrine is geared towards india, and its well prepared for that.

To fight a colonial outpost like isreal a coalition is needed from the entire ME.
Which given the current political scenario is practically impossible.
 
sambody said:
Yes, the ignorance of history is surprising. For a long time, Pakistan was the biggest recipient of US military aid after Israel and the biggest recipient of Saudi aid when both those countries were using Saddam and other proxies to destroy Iran. Even today, Pakistani rulers rely on American ( through the IMF) and GCC largesse to keep their economy running. And then people are surprised that Iran considers Pakistani rulers to be doing the bidding of America and the GCC states and to develop relations with countries like India and Armenia as a hedge.
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Nonsense. Despite being a very close Saudi Arabian alliance, Pakistan never supported Iraq against Iran and vice versa. Pakistan didn't even support the rebels against the Assad regime despite close ties with both Turkey and Saudi Arabia. There is a reason the GCC Arabs are not as warm to Pakistan as they used to be: Because Pakistan, despite getting considerable financial help from them, doesn't do their bidding whether against Iraq (2003), or Iran, or Syria, or even Yemen!
As for the Pak-America relations: That's purely commercial / trade. Pakistan's economy is closely tied with the West but when defiance is needed, Pakistan has plenty of time to defy the West.
You really need to educate yourself better.
 
The escalation has ramped up to an unprecedented level. Here in the capital, we have been hearing sounds of explosions and the activation of air defence systems.

Just a few minutes ago, we heard sounds of at least two massive explosions, indicating that Israeli strikes are continuing as Iran is also striking back.

The tensions here are extremely high and people’s anxiety is increasing amid the ongoing strikes. -- Al Jazeera
 
Vikramaditya1 said:
Say what now? We would expose ourselves to Arabs??? Lol! Go look at the map how and where Israeli jets are coming. Friggin Arabs themselves provide a safe passage to Israelis to bomb Iran on top of that, INTERCEPT Iranian missiles. You're barking up the wrong tree, instead issue your statements against Jordan, Iraq, Syria thr OG Arabs Indians must be scared of to openly support Israel against Iran. You people don't even have a unity against Israel but has all the swords up against India. Honorary mention Azeris who happily buy Israeli drones and hold Israeli flags for their military parades.
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Indians will always support anti Muslim - even in india.
The reason why we squirm is when indians believe they are in the white corner. Thinking backing israel will make them white. A pathetic pleeez pleeez we are with you
White brothers. Please let us carry your testicles wherever you want.
Iran will now hopefully see what India friendship about.
 
TEHRAN (Tasnim) – A British spy destroyer operating near the Sea of Oman was intercepted and forced to retreat by the Iranian Navy after it was caught attempting to guide Israeli missiles toward Iranian territory.
According to the Public Relations Office of the First Naval District of Iran’s Navy, the destroyer was identified in the northern Indian Ocean late last night.

The warship had entered the region with the apparent aim of aiding the Zionist regime in targeting Iran.

Timely intelligence by the Navy’s surveillance systems led to the detection and tracking of the vessel.

Combat drones from the Iranian Navy issued warnings to the destroyer, preventing its advance toward the Persian Gulf.

The British vessel, caught in the Navy’s operational and intelligence net in the Sea of Oman, was ultimately compelled to alter its course.
 
Meengla said:
Honestly too late and too impractical for Iran to develop a fighter aircraft system. Bringing Pakistan into this discussion would not be good comparison at all because Pakistan-India rivalry is old where the Pakistan Air Force has groomed itself over the decades to fight India and really created a topmost class ecosystem of integrated air defense and offense with considerable Chinese help. Some videos by the Indian analyst Pravin Swaheny should help understand what I am saying.
Iran will be a huge wasting money on fighter jets. If they even manage to fly then would be shot down but most would be neutralized before even flying. Better invest in potent air defense systems and surface to surface missiles to target Israel.
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No, they need competent airforce, if they had even 50 capable air fighters they would make impossible such scope of attack on their instalations.
You are right for current war they need any AD that they can scramble to wage the war and float but first thing after it they need to invent by any means air force capable of defending their AD network.
 
It's now become a war is ATTRITION just like Ukraine

So it depends on the stocks of the state, plus ALLIES

Whichever group supplies the best, will at best win a phyric victory whilst taking damage


ISRAEL fundamentally has failed, YES it killed some important targets, but they will be replaced
YES it hit some targets, but they will be rebuilt and irans nuclear program isnt even down or taken out, it's buried deep ina hard to get locations

And now iran is regaining it's footing and striking back and Israel is a much smaller country with nowhere to run



It all dependß on how much missiles Iran has, and how much support it's friends and allies can give it, I'm heading of reports of Pakistan and China starting to supply Iran together.
I'm not sure what Russia is doing or will do
But Russia will enjoy the increase in oil price
And redirection of weapons to the Jews over Ukraine


What we are seeing is a slow move towards WW3 with blocks building up

It's time to arm up

It's time to help Iran survive, grow a d hit Israel hard
 
TEHRAN (Tasnim) — Iranian border forces have shot down 44 drones and FPVs belonging to the Israeli regime in recent days, a senior Iranian commander said, after the Zionist regime violated Iranian airspace.
Brigadier General Ahmad-Ali Goudarzi, Commander of Iran’s FARAJA Border Guards, said the drones were destroyed after being detected near Iran’s borders.

"In the past 48 hours, 44 drones and micro-UAVs of the usurping Zionist regime that attempted to enter our airspace were tracked and destroyed by the vigilant border guards of FARAJA," Goudarzi said in a statement on Sunday.
 
S.Y.A said:
the BMs will be shot down before they reach israel. need a platform that can get close enough undetected (sub-sea/stealth/whatever) and then launch whatever payload it carries. and in numbers. along with a strong EW and air defense network
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Are you sure that just because we haven’t made a public spectacle of it means we don't have HGVs at our disposal? Also, Pakistan officially declared its MIRV capability in 2017 with a stated range of 2,200 km... do you really think ISPR revealed the full extent of that capability? Or is it more likely that the true range was much more or has quietly improved since then?

Capability exists.... The real question isn’t whether we have the means, but whether, when push comes to shove, we have the will to use them..
 
Tehrani021 said:
Well so far Iran and India have levied a similar charge against terrorists coming out of hideouts in Pakistan. Whether or not Pakistan feels threatened should never be taken into account if/when Iran decides to build a bomb.
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Well. You will not see a bomb in your life and you will never decide to build it because you will never build it.
 
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