Pakistan Missiles - Updates, News & Discussion

[Sipahsalar]

Iran only focused on its missiles for years which is in large numbers still got intercepted to nearly 70 percent to latest air defense system. Pak focus is on Air force but pak needs a supersonic cruise missiles and hypersonic missiles surely because our stock are surely are not at level of iran.

Pakistan already has supersonic cruise missiles, CM 302. It’s used by PN. I’m sure a land version can be easily made from it.

 

[Bentley777]

Pakistani/NATO/Israel doctrine and Indian/Russian/Iranian doctrines are entirely different.

The latter owing to numerical superiority rely mostly on Air defence and missile salvos, the former relies on air force for strikes.

If Iranians were less incompetent they could've dealt massive damage to Israel.

Iran doctrine is based on missiles and pak on air force i know but during India pak conflict pak missile capability applied was around 10 percent of impacts at best possible which was no way near to requirement to deter enemy because we didnot have the capability like iran and recent missile technology of all nuclear powers are upto the mark and latest except pak. It demonstrates massive loop holes in our missile capabilities thats why i tell our missile program is decades behind and in big ambiguity stuck in 1980s 1990s. every one idea is just fire air to air PL15 AND Pl17 and win the conflict that's not how it works and PAF should be supported by Barrage of ballistic missile and crusie missile on Indian bases that will make you compete on all strategic and tactical levels. Paf can shoot down multiple planes but they will still have to land on air bases you can buy time only by making their bases un operational too. Arguments comes we don't have the money but we can buy j35, kj500, hq-19. Better to spend that money on missiles RND which india posses like supersonic and Marv ballistic missile for conventional role and we don't have that and spending on 5th gen which india does not have sounds unsensible when j10c showed they are more than enough for now. Final conclusion is pak have to spend billions of dollars on its missile program now there is no choice left it has become mandatory other wise we would loose control of escalation ladder.

 

[Bentley777]

Pakistan already has supersonic cruise missiles, CM 302. It’s used by PN. I’m sure a land version can be easily made from it.

Its a export version cant upgrade it can't make it no value of it. Missile technology is evolving at very fast pace due to latest RND in AD systems. With out having technology exported missle will get useless in few years and you cannot also mass produce it which will ultimately will not be cost effective which is major requirement of pak also all 3 tri service should have the all missile capabilities on board you have. Like india uses brahmos for all tri services.

 

[FuturePAF]

I think Pakistan should consider the following urgently:

— A new generation of strategic [nuclear] missiles with a greater focus on penetration ability. Learning from Iran-Israel missile strikes.

— Assessing our second-strike capability in the event of a decapitation strike. (Effectively, a ballistic missile submarine will be needed for this truly)

— Assessing our command, control, storage and launch parameters, and their survivability.

For the cost of a ballistic missile submarine, which could be detected by Indian ASW (probably with the support of others), those resources could be poured into mountain missile bases (with thousands of portals for shoot and scout tactics). India doesn’t have the ISR capability to detect all of Pakistani missile bases, and wouldn’t be able to gain air superiority, not if the PAF has anything to say about it.

Pakistan should be studying what worked with Iran and where their vulnerabilities were.

Besides Pakistan also needs at least dozens of underground (under mountain) command centers for its military.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Iran only focused on its missiles for years which is in large numbers still got intercepted to nearly 70 percent to latest air defense system. Pak focus is on Air force but pak needs a supersonic cruise missiles and hypersonic missiles surely because our stock are surely are not at level of iran.

Israel is a tiny entity with the most concentrated and advanced air defences in the world

large countries can't cover all their airspace, look at Russia. same would apply to India

 

[Bentley777]

Still garbage and susceptible to interceptions, as we saw in the Iran-Israel conflict. Iranian missiles are magnitudes more advanced than Pakistan’s and they are getting knocked out of the sky at almost 80%

Exactly all shaheen series missile are decades old all should be transferred for conventional role only. Make new missiles from scratch again for nuclear role with keeping in mind latest AD of enemy. Set ego a side be practical and work with China in partnership and do your own RND too as much as we can if help needed we can ask china maybe if they agree to help.

 

[Bentley777]

Israel is a tiny entity with the most concentrated and advanced air defences in the world

large countries can't cover all their airspace, look at Russia. same would apply to India

Point i tried to make was our missile technology is not better than iran which should ASAP should be addressed because it dilutes our nuclear capabilities no point having nuclear war heads if you don't have potent delivery system to deliver it both are inter related. It's should be no 1 priority for the state of pak but people have big ego problems failing to understand it.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Israel is a tiny entity with the most concentrated and advanced air defences in the world

large countries can't cover all their airspace, look at Russia. same would apply to India

Also for what it's worth, Iranian warheads are decently advanced (MaRVs) but still up against layered potent air defences in Israel, they were achieving around 80-90% interception rates.

It means MaRV warheads are bare minimum otherwise traditional ballistics will easily be intercepted at probably 99% rates. And newer penetration methods definitely need work like decoys in MIRVs and HGVs.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

For the cost of a ballistic missile submarine, which could be detected by Indian ASW (probably with the support of others), those resources could be poured into mountain missile bases (with thousands of portals for shoot and scout tactics). India doesn’t have the ISR capability to detect all of Pakistani missile bases, and wouldn’t be able to gain air superiority, not if the PAF has anything to say about it.

Pakistan should be studying what worked with Iran and where their vulnerabilities were.

Besides Pakistan also needs at least dozens of underground (under mountain) command centers for its military.

You're right but sea-based deterrence is separate from land-based deterrence. If neutering sea based assets was this easy, they wouldn't be a key part of a nuclear triad.

 

[Oscar]

For the cost of a ballistic missile submarine, which could be detected by Indian ASW (probably with the support of others), those resources could be poured into mountain missile bases (with thousands of portals for shoot and scout tactics). India doesn’t have the ISR capability to detect all of Pakistani missile bases, and wouldn’t be able to gain air superiority, not if the PAF has anything to say about it.

Pakistan should be studying what worked with Iran and where their vulnerabilities were.

Besides Pakistan also needs at least dozens of underground (under mountain) command centers for its military.

 

[Jango]

For the cost of a ballistic missile submarine, which could be detected by Indian ASW (probably with the support of others), those resources could be poured into mountain missile bases (with thousands of portals for shoot and scout tactics). India doesn’t have the ISR capability to detect all of Pakistani missile bases, and wouldn’t be able to gain air superiority, not if the PAF has anything to say about it.

Pakistan should be studying what worked with Iran and where their vulnerabilities were.

Besides Pakistan also needs at least dozens of underground (under mountain) command centers for its military.

I mean just looking at the Indian claims would give you a hint.

 

[FuturePAF]

You're right but sea-based deterrence is separate from land-based deterrence. If neutering sea based assets was this easy, they wouldn't be a key part of a nuclear triad.

I’m simply saying from a cost benefit analysis, the same money for a sub and all that goes into it, could be spent to build a lot more by putting those funds into tunnels. Now if we have the money for both, go for it. I’m all for it.

 

[FuturePAF]

I mean just looking at the Indian claims would give you a hint.

I suspect, if actually deployed, Pakistan would have to operate its ballistic missile subs close to shore, under the protection of land based assets and the navy in a bastion strategy, decreasing the utility of a sea based deterrence. If the subs are nuclear powered, say a version of the Type 093B with 24 VLS tubes large enough for 1000-1500 km YJ-21 analogs, then I suspect many nations would be trying to tail the sub, to prevent its effective use.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

I’m simply saying from a cost benefit analysis, the same money for a sub and all that goes into it, could be spent to build a lot more by putting those funds into tunnels. Now if we have the money for both, go for it. I’m all for it.

Oh right; agreed.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Exploring powered re-entry vehicles to increase speed (Mach 10+) and perform better evasive maneuvers to defeat advanced air defenses may be worth considering for Pakistan.

Similar in concept to the Iranian Fattah-1.