JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

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The full article is posted here:

Post in thread 'Pakistan Air Force | News & Discussions'

Jun 19, 2025

• Fatman17

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Just note, its only the page 7 article that is written by Alan Warnes. The pg.30 onwards is by Babak.

My point about Babak was that there's no way he would be given any access by PAF given Babak's severe bias. Other than that, his open source posts are well researched, but things like Block-3 numbers are not open source. It's like Deino or Justin Bronks comes and suddenly says PAF has X number of Block-3s, you would take that with a grain of salt.

Thanks for that. Yeah that really reflects in his article. Some aspects look well researched but full of assumptions and somehow he crams in almost everything/ every point of view / claim as a possibility. Some of them are very dubious to say the least.

 

[Reichmarshal]

Dear brother, GAN?GaA radar T/R modules consume power and so other sensors. why we didnt put IRST in JF17C? because the JF17C engine cannot provide that much power. @Michael explain this thing in this thread very clearly.

it will be in the alpha variant, plus a few other things.

 

[RafaleSlayer]

Who cares about tejas ..I was just wondering why I don’t see jf17!pics with 4 pl15

because they can't fly with 4 PL15's, in fact they can't fly with PL15's at all, due to a smaller radar they can only carry SD10's which are not so good in terms of range only 27.4KM that too when fired from 65000 feet.

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

because they can't fly with 4 PL15's, in fact they can't fly with PL15's at all, due to a smaller radar they can only carry SD10's which are not so good in terms of range only 27.4KM that too when fired from 65000 feet.

What does plane radar has to do in modern warfare?

JF-17 Block III is paired with AWACS platforms like the Saab 2000 Erieye and supported by satellite or ground-based data links, it can engage targets at or near the PL-15E’s maximum range of around 200 km

 

[Dalit]

Gripen E is pretty much on par with JF-17 Block 3. It be like comparing Spitfire IX with Me 109 G.

Definitely. These are basically fighters in the same category.

 

[Aziqbal]

@Aziqbal

Annual Production of JF-17 Thunders

Year​	Produced​	Block​	Air Force​
2007​	05​	1​	PAF​
2008​	03​	1​	PAF​
2009​	04​	1​	PAF​
2010​	16​	1​	PAF​
2011​	08​	1​	PAF​
2012​	06​	1​	PAF​
2013​	08​	1​	PAF​
2014​	-​	-​	PAF​
2015​	11​	2​	PAF​
2016​	16​	2​	PAF​
2017​	25​	2​	PAF (17) MAF (8)​
2018​	06​	2​	PAF​
2019​	18​	2 & 3​	PAF (15) NAF (03)​
2020​	14*​	2​	PAF​
2021​	01​	3​	PAF​
2022​	15*​	3​	PAF​
2023​	06*​	3​	PAF​
Total​	162​	-​	-​

• * Where figures are "assumed", this is due to missing or incomplete serial numbers, yearly numbers could change.
• It is assumed that the first two Block-3 prototypes (3000 and 3001) were produced in 2019 and 2021 respectively, and they were later inducted into the PAF.

Please point out any anomalies in the data if you come across any.

Apologies I missed this one bro

I used photographic serials for mine

for Block I I have the photo serials the same as yours

JF17 Block I production rates 2007-2013

07-101 to 07-105 thats 5 units
08-106 to 08-108 that's 3 units
09-109 to 09-112 that's 4 units
10-113 to 10-128 that's 16 units
11-129 to 11-136 that's 8 units
12-137 to 12-142 that's 6 units
13-143 to 13-150 that's 8 units

7 years 50 aircraft x Block I

Then for we differ for Block 2 I have serials

JF17 Block II production rates 2015-2018

15-201 to 15-216 that's 16 units
16-217 to 16-234 that's 18 units
17-235 to 17-250 that's 16 units
18-251 to 18-262 thats 12 units

4 years 62 aircraft x Block II

JF17B Block II production rates 2019-2020

19-601 to 19-612 that's 12 units
20-613 to 20-626 that's 14 units

2 years 26 aircraft x JF17B Block II

Note they dont include exports + crashes

I am currently updating the Block III production

 

[Aziqbal]

Highest block 3 with photo is

23-323

And we think only 23 built so far rest awaiting

however rumour says there is a 24th unit

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Apologies I missed this one bro

I used photographic serials for mine

for Block I I have the photo serials the same as yours

JF17 Block I production rates 2007-2013

07-101 to 07-105 thats 5 units
08-106 to 08-108 that's 3 units
09-109 to 09-112 that's 4 units
10-113 to 10-128 that's 16 units
11-129 to 11-136 that's 8 units
12-137 to 12-142 that's 6 units
13-143 to 13-150 that's 8 units

7 years 50 aircraft x Block I

Then for we differ for Block 2 I have serials

JF17 Block II production rates 2015-2018

15-201 to 15-216 that's 16 units
16-217 to 16-234 that's 18 units
17-235 to 17-250 that's 16 units
18-251 to 18-262 thats 12 units

4 years 62 aircraft x Block II

JF17B Block II production rates 2019-2020

19-601 to 19-612 that's 12 units
20-613 to 20-626 that's 14 units

2 years 26 aircraft x JF17B Block II

Note they dont include exports + crashes

I am currently updating the Block III production

Do you have photographs for the Block-2A serial numbers with their years?

• 249 & 250
• 260, 261, 262 (everyone here says these went to Nigeria as NAF-720, NAF-721, NAF-722).

Also note these serial numbers:
15-216
16-206
16-208
16-210

The last 3 fall in 2016.

 

[Aziqbal]

Do you have photographs for the Block-2A serial numbers with their years?

• 249 & 250
• 260, 261, 262 (everyone here says these went to Nigeria as NAF-720, NAF-721, NAF-722).

Also note these serial numbers:
15-216
16-206
16-208
16-210

The last 3 fall in 2016.

the Block 1 and Block 2 are on my older computer

let me check if I have them saved

 

[Reichmarshal]

my understanding is that the rest of the block 3 would be of the alpha variant.
meaning they would be more potent with the addition of RIST etc

 

[ghazi52]

 

[Yasser76]

View attachment 130612

18th June not turning out to be a great date for Iranians

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Who cares about tejas ..I was just wondering why I don’t see jf17!pics with 4 pl15

Maybe because they don't want to show them?

 

[Psyko70]

because they can't fly with 4 PL15's, in fact they can't fly with PL15's at all, due to a smaller radar they can only carry SD10's which are not so good in terms of range only 27.4KM that too when fired from 65000 feet.

SD10 is BVR. Its NEZ is not even 27.4km its greater. Are you ok ?

SD 10 is great missile even if we hadn't had pl15 like in 2019 case we would have defended and defended well.

 

[frontline360news]

SD10 is BVR. Its NEZ is not even 27.4km its greater. Are you ok ?

SD 10 is great missile even if we hadn't had pl15 like in 2019 case we would have defended and defended well.

Even after i explain this twice in this thread he is still asking the same question.