Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

GWXP said:
United States is an Empire that wants to rule the world.

American Empire is vast and includes a sphere of influence with such client states like UK, Canada, Australia, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Poland, Ukraine, South Korea, Japan, Saudi Arabia and others.

America wants to be the only Great Power of the planet.

Countries that challenge American desire for global hegemony are China, Russia and Iran. These countries are about to form an anti-American Continental coalition that will oppose US and its global Empire. So US wants to knock out these countries before they grow into a serious challenge.

And US starts with the weakest of the three - Iran. If Iran gets nuclear weapons and ICBMs it will be a boost to China and a challenge to American hegemony, so US wants to demilitarize Iran leaving it without the ability to produce nuclear weapons, ICBMs, long range ballistic missiles and strip Iran of its regional sphere of influence.

After Iran is demilitarized, US will try to finish off the second weakest of the three - Russia. US will do it by arming Ukraine and Poland and trying to destabilize Russia internally.

US has 10 years to neutralize Iran and Russia before China reaches military parity with US and becomes a serious challenge.

After Iran and Russia are finished off, US will encircle, isolate and contain China.

This is a battle between the American Empire and the Continental Coalition and China must prevent the fall of Iran and Russia, because if this happens China will be encircled, isolated and easily contained by the US.
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Great post. Should be really pondered.
And Pakistan should see Iran as a bulwark against the Israeli and the Indian designs on Pakistan's western frontier. A destabilized Iran or a pro Israel regime in Iran would be really bad for Pakistan due to multiple reasons. Right now, despite some misgivings on both sides, Pakistan barely pays any attention to the border with Iran. It is relatively speaking a safe and secure border and that's why you don't see much Pakistani military activities/deployment along the border with Iran. And in an ideal situation, Iran's relatively empty region next to Pakistan could become the strategic depth that Pakistan badly needs against India.
 
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No condemnation? No mention of Israel or US? Not even an offer of diplomatic support?

Iran should never have trusted India.
 
Meengla said:
Great post. Should be really pondered.
And Pakistan should see Iran as a bulwark against the Israeli and the Indian designs on Pakistan's western frontier. A destabilized Iran or a pro Israel regime in Iran would be really bad for Pakistan due to multiple reasons. Right now, despite some misgivings on both sides, Pakistan barely pays any attention to the border with Iran. It is relatively speaking a safe and secure border and that's why you don't see much Pakistani military activities/deployment along the border with Iran. And in an ideal situation, Iran's relatively empty region next to Pakistan could become the strategic depth that Pakistan badly needs against India.
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I think China doesn’t view the world like that. They just want to be left alone and think about business. They have no interest in geopolitics.
 
If Iran agree to the deal then US would come in to personally dismantle the nuclear sites. It's not even voluntary.

Iran goes on full attack and continues enrichment elsewhere if they can. That will surely invite US to attack Iran's HVTs and cities.

Or Iran surrenders and agrees to the deal which is total humiliation. In the history of Persia this will be a major defeat. Honor is on the line so this regime may choose to down with the ship instead of accepting surrender.
 
I am not an expert in this field but so far pictures released show stable slopes and no cave ins. Looks like Americans have targeted entrance and ventilation shafts in hope of burying the facility. It looks like Iranains have already started to dig and access tunnels.

I remeber when Pakistan conducted nuclear tests in tunnels bored on the side of the mountain the side collapsed when the explosion was triggered. No such features are visible on the pictures so far. Americans are just delaying everything for the Iranians and just now I came across something SO OBVIOUS I wonder if the world thouight of this:


2 hr 8 min ago

How much of Iran's nuclear program remains following the US strikes?​

Analysis from CNN's Nick Paton Walsh
After the United States’ overnight strikes on Iran’s secretive nuclear program, the most important question is at least a “known unknown” — that is, what remains of it.

The answer could define the region for decades to come, and be the ultimate arbiter of US President Donald Trump’s decision to embark on another conflict in the Middle East.

It is also an answer bedeviled by the elliptical and fickle nature of intelligence. On the one hand, public discussion of nuclear sites at Fordow, Natanz and Isfahan should have left Tehran unwilling to let all of its nuclear secrets reside there. (Iran has said its program is entirely peaceful, although the UN’s nuclear watchdog reported finding uranium particles enriched up to 83% – just short of weapons grade).

If, as Israel maintains, Iran’s nuclear program has a hidden element, then surely that would not be housed in the same places where UN inspectors roam, and in the case of Fordow, over which there has been a public discussion for days of what American bombs might penetrate its deep caverns.

Read more analysis from CNN’s Nick Paton Walsh here.
 
hyperman said:
China didn't give Pakistan Nuclear Propulsion, i heard it was refused.

www.dropsitenews.com

Pakistan Requested Nuclear Weapons Assistance From China in Talks Over Strategic Port

In bilateral talks this year, Pakistan asked China for a nuclear second-strike capability in exchange for the Gwadar Port—a demand that was rebuffed by China
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Regardless, Turkey is building from scratch, it will not be building via Chinese transfer, b/c its not politically possible. Turkey is open to cooperation with Pakistan, and it is a possibility. There was a very high level meeting with Asim Muneer and the Pakistani PM and the entire Pakistani Defense establishment along with the Turkish Intelligence Chief, Foreign Minister, Defense Minister, and President.

I hadn't seen such a extensive Pakistani delegation visit Turkey before, so whatever was discussed was likely quite important. Not saying its a given(its speculation for now), but both sides are pursuing Nuclear Propulsion and Turkey has already announced the NUKDEM project. Whether Pakistan joins Idk, and it would be helpful if Pakistan joins, but Turkey will pursue Nuclear Submarine propulsion regardless, it would help if Pakistan cooperates given their enrichment experience.

turdef.com

Turkiye Unveils ‘NUKDEN’ Name for Nuclear Submarine Project | TURDEF

Turkish Navy’s nuclear submarine programme receives formal designation name “NUKDEN” while the indigenous submarine project MILDEN is already underway.
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mangekyo said:
I think China doesn’t view the world like that. They just want to be left alone and think about business. They have no interest in geopolitics.
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Wait when they will come for China.

China didn't helped Russia
They didn't helped Iran

China will have no friend when it comes to Taiwan. ( Pakistan is only friend there. However they need Russia and N Korea)

However I am happy they are helping Pakistan.
 
Foinikas said:
One of the reasons this whole thing happened,is because for 20+ years they had been declaring their intention to "wipe out" Israel from the map. At the same time,they were rushing to get nuclear energy. When you combine that with their mass production of ballistic missiles,it was only logical they would be seen as a real threat and problem that had to be taken care of.
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Aha... a country who had regime change done by the US... lived under a tyrant for years... faced sanctions... a war egged on and helped by the west to destroy Iran, a miliekowsky making case against Iran of going nuclear for past 40 years. You say they had it coming... right!
 
The tomahawks came from destroyers in the northern Arabian Sea.

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