Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[the vicious kind]

Posted this in another thread aswell.

First and foremost, Iran should stop relying on a mix of old Soviet-era systems, reverse-engineered Western hardware, and newer domestic platforms that lacked seamless integration and centralized command and control.

This patchwork setup created blind spots and communication lags, especially under the pressure of a coordinated, multi-domain assault by IAF.

We all so the result. Iran lost the air battle space fairly quickly. I dont believe Mossad had enough personnel to takeout numerous batteries of Sayeed, bavar or khordad. There wasnt a cohesive air space deniel strategy to begin with. No unified airspace management doctrine or real-time data-sharing. It was also so fragmented that individual systems operated in silos, unable to support or back each other up.

The Iranian AD network's downfall wasn’t due to a lack of hardware ,it was the absence of integration, strategy, and most importantly a robust AWACS network.

 

[Master Chief]

BBC website live feed:

"US media are reporting that an initial assessment produced by the Defense Intelligence Agency says US strikes on Iran only set back its nuclear programme by a few months.

In a post on social media, the White House press secretary, Karoline Leavitt, says: "This alleged 'assessment' is flat-out wrong and was classified as 'top secret' but was still leaked to CNN by an anonymous, low-level loser in the intelligence community.

"The leaking of this alleged assessment is a clear attempt to demean President Trump, and discredit the brave fighter pilots who conducted a perfectly executed mission to obliterate Iran’s nuclear program.

"Everyone knows what happens when you drop fourteen 30,000 pound bombs perfectly on their targets: total obliteration."

The BBC's US partner, CBS News, reports that a source familiar with the assessment has confirmed to them that a preliminary assessment indicates the strikes set back the programme by months, and did not obliterate the facilities.

The source says the assessment indicates strikes on the Fordo facility caved in the entrances but that the enrichment infrastructure buried further underground remains largely intact.

They also appear to contradict Leavitt's claim about the quality of the assessment, saying such preliminary assessments tend to hold up."

 

[Khansaheeb]

Iran got pummeled left, right and centre and Zion got pummeled left, right and centre.

And, they're still ready to pummel each other left, right and centre given another opportunity.

Now, Zion has a powerful air force, ballistic missiles and air defence, freedom of surprise, freedom of aggression and a lot of rich friends.

Iran has a lot of missiles and a lot of verbal support internationally.

No doubt Zion is absolute evil, but their military might was so impressive and spectacular to watch for a country of just 10 million people.

Iran's size and landscape allows minimal impact but for the small Zionist entity it is a devastating blow, that's why they pleaded for a ceasefire. Iran should rearm for the next round with even bigger and more devastating arsenal. If Turkey or Pakistan could take over pummeling Israel that would be better.

 

[PakAl]

Iran fired 500+ missiles at Israel and only achieved c. 30-50 good impacts

I would say their air defence performed very well. how would Iranian air defence fare against 500 ballistic missiles?

if we continued firing 100+ missiles at Israel per day from this point onwards, we could expose their air defence limitations, but we were not able to do that.

Zionist are well professional, during the first Iranian attack on Israel, Israel used satellites, agents on the ground etc to identify exactly where all the ballistic missiles launchers, AD systems are, then during this surprise attack they targeted and continued to destroy them for 12 days. The result Iran ended up from firing 80 missiles a day to 8, plus 100s of launchers and ADs destroyed. It may have been that Iran would have fired 500 missiles a day but for 18 hours Israel continued to attack missle sites, this reduced Iranian offensive power.

 

[vmro]

Will there be regime change in Israel?
I hope so.

I was really hoping that few days more and Iran could insisted on regime change in Israel, as starting point for any negotiation...

This result is historical for Iran if manage to fix internal leaking channels and rats...
They were main weapon of idf, what is not excuse for Iranian secret services, and they simply must do clean-house on itself at any cost...those millions afghanis, if it`s true, are also potential danger for Iran...Afghanis in Iran are not good combination, from the ending era of Safavids and Nader Shah that is fact...

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

But they were only there for a good time?

I'm going to inquire about a group discount on therapy. Or perhaps, bring a friend, receive 10% off.

 

[lightning f57]

That NYT report is from five days back. Today, NYT say it's severely damaged not destroyed. You want Fordo to survive intact so desperately that you are clinging to any narrative you can find that aligns with your desires. The truth is no one except the Iranians know the true status of Fordo. However, Netanyahu said the Iranian program has been set back a decade. I suspect he would not have agreed to a ceasefire if Iran's program was set back by a mere 6 months.

Yahu only said 1-2 days ago that they think they know where the new site might be which Iran has alleged transferred the nuclear material and installed the centrifuges. Then all of a sudden he does not mention that and declares victory.

Something is not adding up.

 

[Forsvaret]

Why are you quoting the colonial news media ? The truth from them is zero.

It’s a news report, not "truth" report.

 

[El Sidd]

It is being repeated by BBC.

Iran never had the capacity to build any bomb and US dropped enough payload to render the facility unusable.

This is just lobbied narrative that US fake bombed the facility to allow for further violations from the entity.

Nobel nominee Trump and sole superpower status of USA are both at the mercy of 2 rogue regimes in India and the entity.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

While a Genocide is taking place, and they are crying over that they can't party and drink beer ? like I said I have ZERO sympathy for them... anyone having fun in that land while Gaza Children are starved should go F themselves.

Personally, I think they're stupid. To knowingly go to a known war zone then cry when they can't get out? Insanity.

Want to see the rockets red glare? 4th of July is not that far away.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Israeli media reports how Trump blasted Nutunyahoo during a recent phone call with him :
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Getting cut off from the teat like Volodymyr did can have that effect on you.

 

[ghazi52]

US strikes did not destroy Iran nuclear programme, says Pentagon assessment​

Nadine Yousif
BBC News

Satellite image (c) 2025 Maxar Technologies via Getty Images

Satellite images after the US attack show large craters visible at the Fordo nuclear site in Iran.
The US strikes on Iran's nuclear facilities did not destroy the country's nuclear programme and probably only set it back by months, according to a Pentagon intelligence assessment.

The Islamic Republic's stockpile of enriched uranium was not eliminated in the bombings, sources familiar with an evaluation by the Defense Intelligence Agency told the BBC's US partner CBS.

The White House said the initial damage assessment was "flat-out wrong" and "a clear attempt to demean" President Donald Trump.

The president has said Saturday's air strikes "completely and totally obliterated" Iran's nuclear enrichment facilities.
The US struck three nuclear facilities in Iran - Fordo, Natanz and Isfahan - with "bunker buster" bombs capable of penetrating 18m (60ft) of concrete or 61m (200ft) of earth before exploding.

But sources familiar with the Pentagon's intelligence assessment say Iran's centrifuges are largely "intact" and the impact was limited to aboveground structures.

Entrances to two nuclear facilities were sealed off, and some infrastructure was destroyed or damaged.

The anonymous sources told US media it is estimated the attack only set Iran back "a few months, tops", and that any resumption of its nuclear programme may be based on how long it takes the country to dig out and make repairs.

Sources also confirmed to CBS that some of Iran's enriched uranium stockpile was moved before the strikes, according to the intelligence assessment.

The US 30,000lb (14,000kg) Massive Ordnance Penetrator bomb was thought to be the only weapon capable of destroying Iran's underground nuclear enrichment facilities.

 

[Pakistani Dragon]

Iran's size and landscape allows minimal impact but for the small Zionist entity it is a devastating blow, that's why they pleaded for a ceasefire. ...

Stop fooling yourself.

If it wasn't for the ceasefire, Zion would've continued to take pot shots at its civilian infrastructure.

Ask yourself, why wasn't Iran able to stop Zion's aircraft from taking off from their usual airbases for 12 days despite Iranian missiles were getting through and hitting buildings?

 

[Shags101]

My simple simple advice if White House is pissed someone is calling their own people losers in the White House means Irans nuclear program is still fairly much intact go nuclear before the Israelis decide to sneak in again this time with commandos just put everyone you have left speed them out put them in underground bunkers and just go for it if that’s the Americans assessment that’s the Israelis and now you have pissed off iranians who have nothing to lose

 

[K2RULEZ]

My simple simple advice if White House is pissed someone is calling their own people losers in the White House means Irans nuclear program is still fairly much intact go nuclear before the Israelis decide to sneak in again this time with commandos just put everyone you have left speed them out put them in underground bunkers and just go for it if that’s the Americans assessment that’s the Israelis and now you have pissed off iranians who have nothing to lose

All the more reason for Iran to accelerate and continue the nuclear program.