Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[vmro]

I promised myself that I'd be nice to people on here from now on, so here goes.

Leaked Defense Intelligence Agency documents show that the nuclear facilities are largely intact, and that the US bombing failed to do any lasting damage, only setting them back up to a few months to a year.

Israeli assessments show that Iranian facilities are only damaged, not destroyed, and that Iran has hundreds of kilograms of enriched uranium hidden away, as well as advanced IR-6 centrifuge kept safe in other hidden locations, all enough to make a bomb within 3 to 6 months.

Iranian assessments are that there was some swvere damage, but recoverable.

Independent analysts say that the bombing run may have at the most done a bit of damage through tremors, but actual damage is likely to be extremely limited.

Please don't say anything....anti-intellectual, because i don't know how long i can be nice for.

Iran has 400kg of HEU at a secure location

No need for more to have an arsenal of nukes

Also the "total destruction" of the sites are likely propaganda for internal audience, leaked documents shown that the centrifuges are likely intact

I was sarcastic, using Trump's words...I think that this with Americans is so staged, that Iranian nuclear program has zero impactful damage...but still, no reason for being part of that agency, and like reason Iran could quote Trump...

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

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They are not showing the damages on their refineries, power plants, military, and nuclear sites. What they showed you is actually the civilian buildings. So damages on critical military, nuclear, and economic infrastructure have not been disclosed.

Besides, Israelis are waiting for their AD interceptors to be replenished. Once they get those, they plan to arm-twist Trump and start the war again.

 

[nang2]

I think you are vastly overestimating Russian or Chinese influence in Iranian decision making, which is next to none.

I bet the West has much more influence to Iran than Russia and China. As a part of Aryan race, Iranians have been longing to be embraced by their Aryan brothers in Europe.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

Can North Korea offer alternative to J-10C & JF-17 ?

I think they can offer air defense missiles. They've been preparing for war with the West and South Korea for a long time. Don't get wrong, Iran still needs air force but the most immediate is air defense that is capable of deterring the Israeli air force.

 

[Tamerlane]

There's no such thing as "Shia extremist", stop importing the problems of Sunni islam into Shia islam

Those "Persian chauvinists" lives in foreign countries and doesn't exist in Iran

I avoid discussion of sectarianism, however, any truthful discussion of Iran needs to take this into account. As the saying goes, it’s an elephant in the room that everyone is pretending isn’t there.

Every Muslim country has its religious extremists. In most countries it means Sunni extremism. In Iran it means Shia extremism. That’s all I mean to say. In Iran it adds to the sense of antagonism towards other Muslim countries that prevents alliances. On the ground we’ve seen how the whole Axis of Resistance consisted almost entirely of Shia groups.

On the other hand, those Iranians who go away from Islam go in the direction of identifying as Persians. I’m sure there are tons of them in Iran.

I know those are controversial things to discuss. But if we’re going to improve things it’s better to look at everything. Sometimes an outsider can see things more clearly. My suggestion is to cultivate moderation.

 

[LittleFish]

North Korea will offer Iran with mig-23BN and su-7 with J-5 and il-28 as a gift

NK and Iran can jointly establish a museum for displaying Soviet and US antiques of airplanes lol Sorry bro I get your sarcasm

 

[ShapurII]

I think you are vastly overestimating Russian or Chinese influence in Iranian decision making, which is next to none.

Next to none?
Is that why Araghchi went to visit Putin for the ceasefire?
Is that why Sergei Shoigu visited Iran after Israel's aggression against Iran a year ago to convince Iran not to respond to that?
Is that why Iran has not left the NPT yet? And we are still not making the bomb after the US has damaged our nuclear infrastructure?

 

[Sultan Baybars]

The biggest enemy of Iran is not Israel, but the sanctions.

Iran must get rid of those sanctions.

I remember when Obama signed the deal, all the Western multinationals from Shell till Volkswagen were lined up to invest in Iran.

 

[ShapurII]

Why you keep saying that China helping US to cripple Iran's economy, that not in China's interest, China at least consider Iran an important partner. That's what I am saying, China buys 90% of Iranian oil because others are scared of US sanctions but China couldn't care less. The economy and your trade with others including China fell short of the expectations over the years because Iran was under US, the West and the world at large sanctions. That's why Iran's economy couldn't grow. China initiated the 25 years economic deal with Iran in 2012, but Iran gov is not totally committed. So, don't blame your problems on China.

Because China and Russia passed 4 rounds of UN Security Council resolutions against us that put us under Chapter VII of the UN charter and destroyed our functioning economy. I'm sure we have discussed it thoroughly by now.

 

[Farhan23]

Iran's GDP as of 2025 is $340B while Saudi Arabia's GDP is $1.14B.

What kinda of data you using? If it is nominal GDP the saudis had over 1 trillion usd while iran around 400b?

Don´t know whether it is typo on your part or not

 

[vmro]

NK and Iran can jointly establish a museum for displaying Soviet and US antiques of airplanes lol Sorry bro I get your sarcasm

North Korea is Iranian partner in development of Iranian most powerful hypersonic technology, getting leverage for idf and their role is greater than Russia and China combined...

I expected that Russia would be behind Iranian next-level missile technology after Iranian support in the war with Ukraine, that was important for Russian prolonged ability to be cheap and active...

I can't see where is Russian contribution to anything for Iran...

 

[ShapurII]

There are normal ways for that, elections, voting for different platforms, but it should be full elaborated national doctrine with different postulates...losing touch with Hezbollah is, to be honest from my point of view, defeat of the doctrine that was established previous decades...

So Iran should decide if they are going to take corridor Tehran-Beirut with force, or will adopt a new reality on the field...

One door is closed to open another... Yemeni are proven tough player and useful partner...preserving and improving relations with them is adding new dimension to Iranian geopolitical dynamics...

But for now, this final war with Zionists is ultimate priority for entire Iran...

Voting changes nothing in our current political system. The Iranian political system is a democracy with strong elements of theocratic autocracy. Voting changes nothing in Iran.

We need something like a coup from within the system. We need someone like Xiaoping that opens up the country, if I'm writing the name correctly.

 

[ShapurII]

What kinda of data you using? If it is nominal GDP the saudis had over 1 trillion usd while iran around 400b?

Don´t know whether it is typo on your part or not

I was comparing the data from 2008 for both countries as the starting point of crippling sanctions.
In 2008, Saudi Arabia's nominal GDP was estimated to be $473.7 billion USD, according to the International Monetary Fund (IMF). Iran's nominal GDP at the time was $310B-$380B based on different sources.

You can fact check it on your own. It might be slightly different using different sources.

 

[Farhan23]

I was comparing the data from 2008 for both countries as the starting point of crippling sanctions.
In 2008, Saudi Arabia's nominal GDP was estimated to be $473.7 billion USD, according to the International Monetary Fund (IMF). Iran's nominal GDP at the time was $310B-$380B based on different sources.

You can fact check it on your own. It might be slightly different using different sources.

You made error in the 2025 IMF.. But it´s okay it is not that important

 

[ShapurII]

You made error in the 2025 IMF.. But it´s okay it is not that important

Oh, I see. Yes, I said $1.14B. I meant $1.14 trillion dollars obviously. I'll edit my post and fix that.

Done. Fixed it