Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[mangekyo]

Let’s not pretend Iran isn’t in deep shit. But we have the strength and determination to get out of this mess, if only the leadership doesn’t get in our way, but what are the odds they won’t?

 

[Lulldapull]

Neither China nor Russia is thinking about anything other than appeasing the United States; they will never sell useful weapons to Iran.
North Korea was in the same position. However, without making excuses, they have developed everything themselves, from nuclear weapons to giant drones and large submarines. At the same time, they have placed all their bases underground. Despite being a poor, small country with no resources and a population of only 20 million.
Iran lacks only the resolve of its leaders.
That is the root cause of all its weakness.

Iran doesn’t want anything from neither of the two no? Evidently…….or it would have bought it no?

And as previously explained the DPRK missiles flopped in Ukraine. We know this.

 

[ShapurII]

Well, the proxies and the threat of the Iranian missiles were proven deterrence for decades.
I believe Iran has prevailed in the recent conflict but Iran wouldn't have suffered so many losses and humiliation had the proxies existed as potently AND the spies/saboteurs not wrecked Iran from within.

Iran's deterrence was lost in 2020 when Trump assassinated Gen. Soleimani and all we did was a symbolic, coordinated response.
Proxies like Hamas or Hezbollah never intended to fight for us anyway.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Israel just proved otherwise.

I don't think you understood his sarcasm

 

[vmro]

Obviously, Hamas, Hezbollah, prayer to Allah (!), faith and firing 10-30 missiles per day while the enemy is targeting your launchers are the ultimate deterrence according to the Grand Ayatollah.
Nukes and jet fighters are useless. And the US has lost every war they have fought since WWII!

Hezbollah had 200 000 missiles, but obviously majority of them "symbolic"...

Iran for the first time has missiles that are behind only nuclear weapons in horrific impact on targets...seriously, basements were moved with entire building, entire neighborhoods critical damaged by on hit...

And shelters are not safe house anymore...

This is level of potent power that I expected Iran will achieve with Russian high sensitive technology... Iran has achieved it anyway, so make me asking myself what is pro of Russian partnership, they are not behind this missiles for sure...

 

[Persian Gulf]

Yes, but its range is 300 km. Iran needs to extend its anti-access range to the range of its MRBM missiles and then move on to IRBMs, which would be the only asymmetric strategy capable of countering a US Navy threat, but even then it would depend on a broad and comprehensive ISTAR capability to designate targets.

Better than that, the only option would be modern conventional and nuclear submarines, as well as a fleet of destroyers and cruisers that Iran clearly could not afford or acquire unless it counted on the DPRK, which is only now building its Navy.

Zolfaqar Basir was unveiled many years ago (700km ASBM with EO sensor):

IRGC announces longer-range anti-ship ballistic missile

A longer-range anti-ship missile variant of Iran’s Fateh-110 family of solid-propellant ballistic missiles was shown for the first time when the Islamic Revolution...

www.janes.com

Zolqafar + EO sensor --> Zolfaqar Basir

Haj Qasem + EO sensor --> Qasem Basir

Khorramshahr + EO sensor --> Khorramshahr Basir (soon)

 

[BigMela2onin]

Is this so-called ceasefire just a rush to see who re-arms first? Israel to replenish air defense and missiles, or Iran to build the bomb?

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Yes, except we haven't even left the NPT yet let alone started work on building nukes.

 

[Brutal.]

So Iranian embassy in delhi has thanked India after everything? After they showed open support to Israel? After indians were caught spying for mossad in Iran? Iran should have learned this time but guess they have not.

 

[Lulldapull]

Do you use Chinese equipment? Which ones? As far as I know, only MANPADS.

What? We’re talking about Pakistan here man.

 

[ShapurII]

Hezbollah had 200 000 missiles, but obviously majority of them "symbolic"...

Iran for the first time has missiles that are behind only nuclear weapons in horrific impact on targets...seriously, basements were moved with entire building, entire neighborhoods critical damaged by on hit...

And shelters are not safe house anymore...

This is level of potent power that I expected Iran will achieve with Russian high sensitive technology... Iran has achieved it anyway, so make me asking myself what is pro of Russian partnership, they are not behind this missiles for sure...

Most of these so-called Hezbollah's "missiles" are in fact unguided rockets with really small warheads. Nothing game changing, to be honest.

Sure. A missile like Khorramshahr with a 1,800 kg warhead is a monster. But we'll need thousands of such impacts to force Israel to surrender.

 

[mangekyo]

Yes, except we haven't even left the NPT yet let alone started work on building nukes.

We could be working on nukes in other secret facilities. And you don’t leave NPT unless you already have the bomb.

 

[mangekyo]

Most of these so-called Hezbollah's "missiles" are in fact unguided rockets with small warheads.

Sure. A missile like Khorramshahr with a 1,800 kg warhead is a monster. But we'll need thousands of such impacts to force Israel to surrender.

Hezbollah rockets barely made any impact even on a direct hit. Even if they had 100k, it wouldn’t cause any significant damage. They are only good for saturating AD

 

[Assyrian209]

North Korea and the Houthi controlled Yemen are the only truly independent countries of the world.

Alot of Pakistanis are full of speculators and don´t understand how this world works..

Every state nation is free... even areas held by rebels and secessionists as long as they hold it they are free... But every other day in here you see pakistanis writting some low IQ and barking like donkey´s.

They have mixed political interests with freedom which is massive mistakke.

Political games is part of the world and truth..

Example even the Prophet participated in political games when he entered Medina he outfoxed the tribes of Medina by making a council consisting of 3 Jewish tribes and 2 arab tribes until his ranks increased and he didn´t need them anymore.

Everyone is trying to step on someone to get there goals that is what political calculations mean and sometimes you gotta buy time.

Unless someone has the power of Dhul qarnayn who captured the entire world at once then you gotta play politics example do you think the Sahaba captured the entire world without political games making allies with some of the kufar while the seizing the lands of others this was literally how the expansion era happened.

Do you think Rome never had allies? Yes Rome did the same thing during their expansion era they allied with some and seized the lands of others.

The political landscape has never changed the same with the Americans they play political games in order to isolate whomever they view as enemy or chellenger which is China currently they will attempt to isolate China from allies.

One thing I like about Pakistani is the elite who run Pakistan are very smart people and great political elaborates and just very cunning people but some of the larger population especially the posters here are trash.

Every nation currently is being cunning and doing what is best for them politically

 

[Lulldapull]

Iran's deterrence was lost in 2020 when Trump assassinated Gen. Soleimani and all we did was a symbolic, coordinated response.
Proxies like Hamas or Hezbollah never intended to fight for us anyway.

So Iran was a one man show? You believe that?

 

[Assyrian209]

Hezbollah rockets barely made any impact even on a direct hit. Even if they had 100k, it wouldn’t cause any significant damage. They are only good for saturating AD

Oh yes. They did alot of damage their rockets and US even send a special envoy to stop the war and Hez accepted which was the worst decision they have ever taken. This was Hezbollah last imho and they were doing significiant damage but accepted premature ceasefire