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[tsunset]

I absolutely do not understand why do you assume that the Chinese will sell you something? Why do you think that all of a sudden they will make 180 degrees turn in their policy and will start selling weapons to you, being the biggest enemy of Israel, which is the biggest ally to the US, which is the most important country for the Chinese economy by far?

Russia itself would be happy to buy weapons from China, like we do from North Korea and Iran, can you guess why its not happening? And meanwhile Putin and Xi keep talking how big and cool allies we are, which is not the case in your relations with them.

China sees Pakistan as a tool to contain India. And the US and the West dosent really care what Pakistan or China do in this regard, thats their relations explained. Thats not the case with you and it wont be, until you sing some kind of an "Abraham accords" deal with Israel. I can bet that the Chinese wont sell you any attacking weapons until you make some kind of a big peace deal with Israel and the US.

The only difference between China and Russia is that Iran has never placed an order to China recently, but only Russia

We'll only know when Iran will place an order if they will deliver to Iran or not

Russia has shown that it cannot be trusted, they took 10 years to deliver S-300PMU2 and now they won't deliver Su-35 because Israel doesn't want it. I also suspect that Russia, under Israeli/US demand, tried to disarm Iran of its Kilo submarines by asking to bring them to Russia for upgrade and hold them there indefinitely with excuse to never return them

Russia is under the influence of Israel and jews, China is not. Judaism is not rooted into China's history, Chinese politicians are not Jewish ashkenazi big noses with white hairs

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

Initially China offered J-10C to Iran and now Iran has shown interest in it. I think Iran should request for 72 J-10C.

 

[nang2]

I don't think Iran will get Chinese planes. Maybe if you are lucky Russia pulls through with Su-35s.

China has good ties with the countless countries that Iran has damaged ties with, from the perspective of China it doesn't make sense. It pisses too many people off.

And I don't think they will ever risk high tech equipment like J-35 to a country so deeply compromised as Iran, as you know J-35 is a premier frontline platform and Mossad has infiltrated the very IRI.

Russia may provide Su-35s in the future given Iran's aid in the Shahed deal, but Russia also is friends of Israel so it's uncertain.

As such this is all immature talk ignoring important factors above

Not even J-10. Who knows if some Iranian traitors sell its critical data to the West and later J-10s suffer humiliating defeat. All its reputation Pakistan has helped to boost would go down the drain.

 

[OldTwilight]

Initially China offered J-10C to Iran and now Iran has shown interest in it. I think Iran should request for 72 J-10C.

J10A , they never offered J10C ...
buying Su35 is logical choice compare to J10A

 

[nang2]

People should not forget that Israel destroyed a part of our attack helicopters and chinooks

If there is any import, we need attack helicopters and heavy lift helicopters

Z-10ME would be a good choice it is comparable to AH-64

I'm not going to talk about Russian helicopters because they are never going to deliver anything

Z-10ME is a medium helicopter while AH-64 is a heavy one.

 

[Flotilla]

I stopped reading when you suggested Iran should buy Rafael.

Dassault man. Dassault Rafale. Remember Rafael it is a company producer of Litening and military related things of Israel.

By the way you launched an spell over Bagheri and now he passed away. So, don't blame me also

 

[Flotilla]

I was comparing Z-10ME with Apache, they are similar

Even the AH-1J we have managed to down some drones (according to Israel itself) and were patrolling near SAM sites to search for ATGM commandos

I didn't read nothing about it. But It is really interesting. If you find any video or article just put it here

 

[Nevsky]

The only difference between China and Russia is that Iran has never placed an order to China recently, but only Russia

We'll only know when Iran will place an order if they will deliver to Iran or not

Russia has shown that it cannot be trusted, they took 10 years to deliver S-300PMU2 and now they won't deliver Su-35 because Israel doesn't want it. I also suspect that Russia, under Israeli/US demand, tried to disarm Iran of its Kilo submarines by asking to bring them to Russia for upgrade and hold them there indefinitely with excuse to never return them

Russia is under the influence of Israel and jews, China is not. Judaism is not rooted into China's history, Chinese politicians are not Jewish ashkenazi big noses with white hairs

You didnt place an order for a reason, my friend. Your leadership is not stupid, they know how the world works.
As for the other, can you please provide an article or something, where some of your leadership is saying that Russia is not delivering the planes? You all keep talking about these stupid Su-35s as if you have read the contract and you know the exact deadline day that is written there, nonsense really.

China benefit from the West and from the Western system as a whole is absolutely huge. Thanks to the West they are buying your oil for peanuts at the moment, while they are flooding you markets with their cheap goods, while they are supper strict when it comes to the Western sanctions on you or providing you some kind of tech. They do the same to us by the way. So good luck with the Judaism, the big noses and the glorious Chinese politicians. Im sure they will build you a tremendous air force and AD that will let you go toe to toe against they partners from the West.

 

[the saint]

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Not confirmed though...

 

[LittleFish]

Thanks to the West they are buying your oil for peanuts at the moment, while they are flooding you markets with their cheap goods, while they are supper strict when it comes to the Western sanctions on you or providing you some kind of tech. They do the same to us by the way.

China hasn’t forced anyone to sell oil to us, so if you think it’s unfair, why not just cut the supply and sell to other customers? Because you need to sell oil and can’t find other customers daring to buy, isn’t it? We all follow the rules of market economy, right?

India buys oil from Iran and Russia with discounts too, and pays with useless RUPEES, are you happier to hold these Rupees than RMB? Why not just sell all your oil to India since you think China is sucking your blood? Can you buy “cheap goods” you need from India with Rupees you earn? Isn’t India sucking much more of your blood?

Stop acting as if you are the victim and China is the oppressor, because it is yourself that dug the very dilemma which you are drowning into. China neither encouraged you to invade Ukraine, nor encouraged Iran to export revolution.

 

[Flotilla]

Not even J-10. Who knows if some Iranian traitors sell its critical data to the West and later J-10s suffer humiliating defeat. All its reputation Pakistan has helped to boost would go down the drain.

Don´t say nonsense, for such issues China has Export versions with downgrade or simplified sensors/electronics. Everybody takes care about sensitive areas when exporting.

 

[nang2]

Don´t say nonsense, for such issues China has Export versions with downgrade or simplified sensors/electronics. Everybody takes care about sensitive areas when exporting.

I am not talking about some secret that China wants to keep. Each user has his own set of parameters he likes to use. That is his own secret and critical for his mission. China doesn't export some weapons with just fixed configurations. No user would like that.

In another word, it would Iran's own secret and I don't have much confidence in they keeping their own secret.

 

[OldTwilight]

Dassault man. Dassault Rafale. Remember Rafael it is a company producer of Litening and military related things of Israel.

By the way you launched an spell over Bagheri and now he passed away. So, don't blame me also

France was actively helping Israel in this war as they publicly accept it , so why you think they would sell us anything?

 

[Ali_Baba]

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Not confirmed though...

40 is not a massive deal. It is small. Iran needs to order multiple this amount to get to an appropriate level for where they need to be.

 

[OldTwilight]

You didnt place an order for a reason, my friend. Your leadership is not stupid, they know how the world works.
As for the other, can you please provide an article or something, where some of your leadership is saying that Russia is not delivering the planes? You all keep talking about these stupid Su-35s as if you have read the contract and you know the exact deadline day that is written there, nonsense really.

China benefit from the West and from the Western system as a whole is absolutely huge. Thanks to the West they are buying your oil for peanuts at the moment, while they are flooding you markets with their cheap goods, while they are supper strict when it comes to the Western sanctions on you or providing you some kind of tech. They do the same to us by the way. So good luck with the Judaism, the big noses and the glorious Chinese politicians. Im sure they will build you a tremendous air force and AD that will let you go toe to toe against they partners from the West.

You have some points, but Russia is not angle, at this moment you are just isolated by the west, and you are losing all of your military equipment markets to others , so you don't have much choice. Even now , you are stalling us , its 3 years and you didn't deliver even 1 fighter to us ...

I personally think Russia would stall us till EU use trigger mechanism and then use the sanction to not deliver fighters in any meaningful number. (they would at best deliver less than 10 airplane which is not enough to be incorporated in our Air Force)

IR is too ideological and have big mouth, but we Iranians collectively are not stupid.