Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

That would be the Abraham accords

Sure, but somebody has to be there to enforce the Abraham Accords.
The question is who? Reza Pahlavi is no longer popular. MEK terrorists are hated. Who else is left? Masih Alinejad?

 

[mangekyo]

Sure, but somebody has to be there to enforce the Abraham Accords.
The question is who? Reza Pahlavi is no longer popular. MEK terrorists are hated. Who else is left? Masih Alinejad?

I honestly think the goal is to break Iran into weak, irrelevant mini-states so it can never be a real threat again. Look at the map: Turkic regions pulled toward Turkey and Azerbaijan, Arab areas absorbed by Iraq and influenced by the Persian Gulf states, Baluchistan maybe even split off into Pakistan. Kurdish regions could be carved out too. Central Iran and the deserts would be left as a poor, landlocked place, maybe with a tiny “Persian hipster state” in Fars trying to hold on to some cultural identity. A unified Iran, no matter who rules it is always going to be a serious player. Breaking it up is the easiest way to keep it permanently weak.

 

[tsunset]

What do you mean by "regime collapse" exactly?
Somebody has to be replaced to guard the US/Zionist interests in whatever remains of the country after the "collapse".

Regime change = Install a puppet regime instead of IRI, Iran is still united

Regime collapse = total collapse of IRI with no replacement, with probable balkanization of Iran into multiple areas and ethnicities, Iran (it's land) at the mercy of everyone (Turkey, Israel, US, Kurds, Azeris, Baloch, Arabs, PGCC, Afghanistan etc), total disarmament of Iran with probable US bases to steal oil and gas pipeline directly from Iran to Israel and Cyprus for NATO and EU, facilitated by the ethnic tribes installed after the collapse of Iran

 

[ShapurII]

I honestly think the goal is to break Iran into weak, irrelevant mini-states so it can never be a real threat again. Look at the map: Turkic regions pulled toward Turkey and Azerbaijan, Arab areas absorbed by Iraq and influenced by the Persian Gulf states, Baluchistan maybe even split off into Pakistan. Kurdish regions could be carved out too. Central Iran and the deserts would be left as a poor, landlocked place, maybe with a tiny “Persian hipster state” in Fars trying to hold on to some cultural identity. A unified Iran, no matter who rules it is always going to be a serious player. Breaking it up is the easiest way to keep it permanently weak.

Regime change = Install a puppet regime instead of IRI, Iran is still united

Regime collapse = total collapse of IRI with no replacement, with probable balkanization of Iran into multiple areas and ethnicities, Iran (it's land) at the mercy of everyone (Turkey, Israel, US, Kurds, Azeris, Baloch, Arabs, PGCC, Afghanistan etc), total disarmament of Iran with probable US bases to steal oil and gas pipeline directly from Iran to Israel and Cyprus for NATO and EU, facilitated by the ethnic tribes installed after the collapse of Iran

I understand all of this, but still, whatever is left of Iran has to be ruled by somebody that can enforce the status quo. A landlocked Iran without oil will have no value to keep by having boots on the ground, and you can't leave Iranians alone either. So, who will do that?

 

[Persian Gulf]

the GBU-57 burn front never got close to the vaulted centrifuge halls buried under Qom’s ridge. U.S. bragged their 30 k-lb “mountain-eater” punches 60 m of soil or 20 m of 5 000 psi concrete; Fordow’s roof is limestone rated >8 000 psi, so the blast died in the overburden, leaving the tunnels structurally intact and now being vacuum-cleaned back to operational status

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[Ё-МАЁ]

Yes, I never do. Spasibo for your very insightful comments.

The West, led by the US, started a war against Russia, and Ukraine was picked as the perfect place to launch a deadly attack. Everything was and is being done to make this happen. The goal of the SVO is to get the West to give up on this idea.
Here are four proposals that describe the situation, strategy, and tactics. Only you don't hear this, and there's no point in playing the victim.

 

[mangekyo]

I understand all of this, but still, whatever is left of Iran has to be ruled by somebody that can enforce the status quo. A landlocked Iran without oil will have no value to keep by having boots on the ground, and you can't leave Iranians alone either. So, who will do that?

The parts that get absorbed will just adopt the status quo of whoever takes them, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Iraq, the PGCC, Pakistan, maybe even Afghanistan. Whatever’s left will be a poor, landlocked shithole begging for foreign aid. They’ll hold some fake democratic election and install a local puppet to keep it quiet. It won’t have much value on its own, but it’s still a strategic crossroads. So they’ll justify a few U.S. bases for protection.

 

[ShapurII]

The West, led by the US, started a war against Russia, and Ukraine was picked as the perfect place to launch a deadly attack. Everything was and is being done to make this happen. The goal of the SVO is to get the West to give up on this idea.
Here are four proposals that describe the situation, strategy, and tactics. Only you don't hear this, and there's no point in playing the victim.

You invaded a sovereign nation. You tried to resolve a diplomatic issue with military force. You have stabbed Iran in the back for a "an almost Russian-speaking" country that is strongly allied with your enemy.

The West is not going to give up on this idea. After the "SVO", Finland and Sweden ended decades of apparent neutrality to join NATO. Baltic countries are planting land mines at their borders. Poland is preparing herself for war. Ukrainians hate you with a passion and your relations will not get normalized for decades after the war ends. There's no sign that the West is going to give up on this idea.

 

[Persian Gulf]

"airstrike"
"drones"

drones are not effective against a SSM base

 

[Persian Gulf]

Reformists can’t pull this off on their own. What’s wild is Khamenei isn’t even pushing back against the SNSC. Feels like he might’ve been sidelined or even taken hostage. If things are really this compromised, I just hope we don’t end up with some Syrian-style civil war or a bloodbath. Honestly sad we’ll never see the real power of Iran’s missile forces and the work of our brilliant engineers. Its even more sad that we’ll be remembered as defeated by some fart like Israel who is in reality no match for us.

why are we acting like this is news

we never insisted on our right to enrich uranium to 60% and we accepted limits to 5% in 2015, so why not now in 2025?

 

[Ё-МАЁ]

You invaded a sovereign nation. You tried to resolve a diplomatic issue with military force. You have stabbed Iran in the back for a "an almost Russian-speaking" country that is strongly allied with your enemy.

Italian troops took part in the war in Iraq as part of the US-led international coalition. The Italian contingent, numbering about 3,000 soldiers, was sent to Iraq in July 2003 and participated in Operation Ancient Babylon (Operazione Antica Babilonia).
Why wasn't it resolved diplomatically? Were you threatened? Were you attacked?

 

[Persian Gulf]

IRGC: the war will end when we decide it will end!

2 days later

Iran accepts ceasefire

 

[mangekyo]

why are we acting like this is news

we never insisted on our right to enrich uranium to 60% and we accepted limits to 5% in 2015, so why not now in 2025?

Because now we’re in the middle of a war, and the uranium is the only thing keeping the enemy away from us.