Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

tsunset said:
The US wants regime collapse, not regime change

The opposition is a joke and the US/Israel knows this
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What do you mean by "regime collapse" exactly?
Somebody has to be replaced to guard the US/Zionist interests in whatever remains of the country after the "collapse".
 
Assyrian209 said:
You didn´t defeat them except once where you took from them the entire Levent, Egypt and the entire North Africa but that lasted for 9 years as the Romans made an unbelieable comeback this battle is detailed in the Quran actully.

The Persians defeated the Romans in such a way nobody believable the Romans could make a comeback but they did make an unbelievable comeback and retook all these lands.

In Surah Ar-Rum.

In all the other battles it was just statemate like each one keeping his territorial boundaries and guarding
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Please , please , please
Read the history more thorough and please end it here , the thread is being derailed , if you want to discuss it more please discuss it in Iran chill thread or open a new thread in Iran affair section and discuss it there
 
ShapurII said:
What do you mean by "regime collapse" exactly?
Somebody has to be replaced to guard the US/Zionist interests in whatever remains of the country after the "collapse".
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That would be the Abraham accords
 
Hack-Hook said:


71 martyr in attack on even prison
Included prisoners , their family and some of prison clerks and conscript guards and people's who lived at even prison neighbourhood
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did anyone expect anything different from Israel than indiscriminate mass killing?
 
ShapurII said:
Sure, but somebody has to be there to enforce the Abraham Accords.
The question is who? Reza Pahlavi is no longer popular. MEK terrorists are hated. Who else is left? Masih Alinejad?
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I honestly think the goal is to break Iran into weak, irrelevant mini-states so it can never be a real threat again. Look at the map: Turkic regions pulled toward Turkey and Azerbaijan, Arab areas absorbed by Iraq and influenced by the Persian Gulf states, Baluchistan maybe even split off into Pakistan. Kurdish regions could be carved out too. Central Iran and the deserts would be left as a poor, landlocked place, maybe with a tiny “Persian hipster state” in Fars trying to hold on to some cultural identity. A unified Iran, no matter who rules it is always going to be a serious player. Breaking it up is the easiest way to keep it permanently weak.
 
ShapurII said:
What do you mean by "regime collapse" exactly?
Somebody has to be replaced to guard the US/Zionist interests in whatever remains of the country after the "collapse".
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Regime change = Install a puppet regime instead of IRI, Iran is still united

Regime collapse = total collapse of IRI with no replacement, with probable balkanization of Iran into multiple areas and ethnicities, Iran (it's land) at the mercy of everyone (Turkey, Israel, US, Kurds, Azeris, Baloch, Arabs, PGCC, Afghanistan etc), total disarmament of Iran with probable US bases to steal oil and gas pipeline directly from Iran to Israel and Cyprus for NATO and EU, facilitated by the ethnic tribes installed after the collapse of Iran
 
mangekyo said:
I honestly think the goal is to break Iran into weak, irrelevant mini-states so it can never be a real threat again. Look at the map: Turkic regions pulled toward Turkey and Azerbaijan, Arab areas absorbed by Iraq and influenced by the Persian Gulf states, Baluchistan maybe even split off into Pakistan. Kurdish regions could be carved out too. Central Iran and the deserts would be left as a poor, landlocked place, maybe with a tiny “Persian hipster state” in Fars trying to hold on to some cultural identity. A unified Iran, no matter who rules it is always going to be a serious player. Breaking it up is the easiest way to keep it permanently weak.
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tsunset said:
Regime change = Install a puppet regime instead of IRI, Iran is still united

Regime collapse = total collapse of IRI with no replacement, with probable balkanization of Iran into multiple areas and ethnicities, Iran (it's land) at the mercy of everyone (Turkey, Israel, US, Kurds, Azeris, Baloch, Arabs, PGCC, Afghanistan etc), total disarmament of Iran with probable US bases to steal oil and gas pipeline directly from Iran to Israel and Cyprus for NATO and EU, facilitated by the ethnic tribes installed after the collapse of Iran
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I understand all of this, but still, whatever is left of Iran has to be ruled by somebody that can enforce the status quo. A landlocked Iran without oil will have no value to keep by having boots on the ground, and you can't leave Iranians alone either. So, who will do that?
 
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the GBU-57 burn front never got close to the vaulted centrifuge halls buried under Qom’s ridge. U.S. bragged their 30 k-lb “mountain-eater” punches 60 m of soil or 20 m of 5 000 psi concrete; Fordow’s roof is limestone rated >8 000 psi, so the blast died in the overburden, leaving the tunnels structurally intact and now being vacuum-cleaned back to operational status
 
ShapurII said:
Yes, I never do. Spasibo for your very insightful comments.
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The West, led by the US, started a war against Russia, and Ukraine was picked as the perfect place to launch a deadly attack. Everything was and is being done to make this happen. The goal of the SVO is to get the West to give up on this idea.
Here are four proposals that describe the situation, strategy, and tactics. Only you don't hear this, and there's no point in playing the victim.
 
ShapurII said:
I understand all of this, but still, whatever is left of Iran has to be ruled by somebody that can enforce the status quo. A landlocked Iran without oil will have no value to keep by having boots on the ground, and you can't leave Iranians alone either. So, who will do that?
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The parts that get absorbed will just adopt the status quo of whoever takes them, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Iraq, the PGCC, Pakistan, maybe even Afghanistan. Whatever’s left will be a poor, landlocked shithole begging for foreign aid. They’ll hold some fake democratic election and install a local puppet to keep it quiet. It won’t have much value on its own, but it’s still a strategic crossroads. So they’ll justify a few U.S. bases for protection.
 
Ё-МАЁ said:
The West, led by the US, started a war against Russia, and Ukraine was picked as the perfect place to launch a deadly attack. Everything was and is being done to make this happen. The goal of the SVO is to get the West to give up on this idea.
Here are four proposals that describe the situation, strategy, and tactics. Only you don't hear this, and there's no point in playing the victim.
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You invaded a sovereign nation. You tried to resolve a diplomatic issue with military force. You have stabbed Iran in the back for a "an almost Russian-speaking" country that is strongly allied with your enemy.

The West is not going to give up on this idea. After the "SVO", Finland and Sweden ended decades of apparent neutrality to join NATO. Baltic countries are planting land mines at their borders. Poland is preparing herself for war. Ukrainians hate you with a passion and your relations will not get normalized for decades after the war ends. There's no sign that the West is going to give up on this idea.
 
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