Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

mangekyo said:
Reformists can’t pull this off on their own. What’s wild is Khamenei isn’t even pushing back against the SNSC. Feels like he might’ve been sidelined or even taken hostage. If things are really this compromised, I just hope we don’t end up with some Syrian-style civil war or a bloodbath. Honestly sad we’ll never see the real power of Iran’s missile forces and the work of our brilliant engineers. Its even more sad that we’ll be remembered as defeated by some fart like Israel who is in reality no match for us.
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why are we acting like this is news

we never insisted on our right to enrich uranium to 60% and we accepted limits to 5% in 2015, so why not now in 2025?
 
ShapurII said:
You invaded a sovereign nation. You tried to resolve a diplomatic issue with military force. You have stabbed Iran in the back for a "an almost Russian-speaking" country that is strongly allied with your enemy.
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Italian troops took part in the war in Iraq as part of the US-led international coalition. The Italian contingent, numbering about 3,000 soldiers, was sent to Iraq in July 2003 and participated in Operation Ancient Babylon (Operazione Antica Babilonia).
Why wasn't it resolved diplomatically? Were you threatened? Were you attacked?
 
Persian Gulf said:
why are we acting like this is news

we never insisted on our right to enrich uranium to 60% and we accepted limits to 5% in 2015, so why not now in 2025?
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Because now we’re in the middle of a war, and the uranium is the only thing keeping the enemy away from us.
 
Ё-МАЁ said:
Italian troops took part in the war in Iraq as part of the US-led international coalition. The Italian contingent, numbering about 3,000 soldiers, was sent to Iraq in July 2003 and participated in Operation Ancient Babylon (Operazione Antica Babilonia).
Why wasn't it resolved diplomatically? Were you threatened? Were you attacked?
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take this discussion elsewhere
 
Persian Gulf said:
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Exactly what is now Iran is the eternal Iranian heartland, united even in far more dangerous times, except with strong, strongest external powers possible, only a few times in thousands of years...

Some of very rational and intelligent forum members here alredy are pessimistic of Iranian future, while situation is far from ideal, but also with plenty of new opportunities for the revival of Persian power in adapted form...
 
mangekyo said:
Because now we’re in the middle of a war, and the uranium is the only thing keeping the enemy away from us.
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did we have other sources of deterrence before this year? Israel came close to attacking our nuclear facilities many times in the past, even as far back as 2012.
 
ShapurII said:
You invaded a sovereign nation. You tried to resolve a diplomatic issue with military force. You have stabbed Iran in the back for a "an almost Russian-speaking" country that is strongly allied with your enemy.

The West is not going to give up on this idea. After the "SVO", Finland and Sweden ended decades of apparent neutrality to join NATO. Baltic countries are planting land mines at their borders. Poland is preparing herself for war. Ukrainians hate you with a passion and your relations will not get normalized for decades after the war ends. There's no sign that the West is going to give up on this idea.
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Putin, the zionist, is surrounded by zionist jews. 80-90% of Russian billionairs are jews.
Putin betrayed Armenia, Syria and he also betrayed Iran in Syria (probably gave Russian jews inside Israel the command to attack Iranian positions). They're maybe planning to cut off Iranian accesss to caucasus, together with Zionist puppet Aliyev and NATO-Turkey.

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Iran warns Russia against siding with Azerbaijan in border dispute

Row may signal that newly elected Tehran government is willing to take tougher line with Moscow
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Nato countries increased their defence spendings to 5% not for fun, but because they want to keep the pressure on Russia, but they have also plans against Iran and China.
 
mangekyo said:
I honestly think the goal is to break Iran into weak, irrelevant mini-states so it can never be a real threat again. Look at the map: Turkic regions pulled toward Turkey and Azerbaijan, Arab areas absorbed by Iraq and influenced by the Persian Gulf states, Baluchistan maybe even split off into Pakistan. Kurdish regions could be carved out too. Central Iran and the deserts would be left as a poor, landlocked place, maybe with a tiny “Persian hipster state” in Fars trying to hold on to some cultural identity. A unified Iran, no matter who rules it is always going to be a serious player. Breaking it up is the easiest way to keep it permanently weak.
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Too early to say, I think the current goal is regime change, if this proves difficult and the enmity with Israel remains, then this might be a genuine path that's pursued by Israel.
 
Ё-МАЁ said:
The West, led by the US, started a war against Russia, and Ukraine was picked as the perfect place to launch a deadly attack. Everything was and is being done to make this happen. The goal of the SVO is to get the West to give up on this idea.
Here are four proposals that describe the situation, strategy, and tactics. Only you don't hear this, and there's no point in playing the victim.
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Russia only lost its credibility by attacking Ukraine, Russia lost billions in its economy, lost countless soldiers. It was a blunder by dictator Putin. You wanted to stop NATO expansion and guess what, two more countries added to the NATO just because of your blunder. NATO got stronger because of Putin's blunder.

Russia again lost its credibility in Iran - Israel war. The west will never be friend with Russia after what Russia has done in Ukraine. Your only friends could have been anti-west countries like Iran but Putin decided to stay "neutral". Even a step closer to Israel by saying they are russian speaking. Iran was supposed to be ally of Russia as Iran had given so many drones to Russia for its war. The ally of Israel, the US came down physically over Iran but Russia didn't even sent any equipment. One thing is for sure, Iran will never trust Russia again.
 
Persian Gulf said:
did we have other sources of deterrence before this year? Israel came close to attacking our nuclear facilities many times in the past, even as far back as 2012.
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Back in 2012, things were completely different. Even though they could have attacked our nuclear facilities, they held back because we had real deterrence. Our air defense network was intact, so an attack wasn’t guaranteed to succeed cleanly. And the general consensus was that if they struck, IRI would level Tel-Aviv and Haifa immediately with 10 thousands of missiles and rush to build a bomb. That risk was too high for them.

We also had real regional leverage in Hezbollah, Hamas, Assad and Soleimani was alive and effective. There was real fear of escalation on multiple fronts.

Now it’s different. Our air defenses are degraded. They have near total air superiority. Our allies are gone and our enemies have increased, and we’ve turned into a regime that keeps backing down on its red lines and gives advance notices before striking to avoid real escalation. They realized we’re all talk now. That’s why enriched uranium is basically our last real deterrent. Without it, there’s nothing stopping them.
 
mangekyo said:
Back in 2012, things were completely different. Even though they could have attacked our nuclear facilities, they held back because we had real deterrence. Our air defense network was intact, so an attack wasn’t guaranteed to succeed cleanly. And the general consensus was that if they struck, IRI would level Tel-Aviv and Haifa immediately with 10 thousands of missiles and rush to build a bomb. That risk was too high for them.
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what air defences and MRBMs do you think we had in 2012? however bad our situation is now, and it is very bad, our situation in 2012 was a million times worse
 
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