Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Persian Gulf]

Italian troops took part in the war in Iraq as part of the US-led international coalition. The Italian contingent, numbering about 3,000 soldiers, was sent to Iraq in July 2003 and participated in Operation Ancient Babylon (Operazione Antica Babilonia).
Why wasn't it resolved diplomatically? Were you threatened? Were you attacked?

take this discussion elsewhere

 

[vmro]

Exactly what is now Iran is the eternal Iranian heartland, united even in far more dangerous times, except with strong, strongest external powers possible, only a few times in thousands of years...

Some of very rational and intelligent forum members here alredy are pessimistic of Iranian future, while situation is far from ideal, but also with plenty of new opportunities for the revival of Persian power in adapted form...

 

[Persian Gulf]

Because now we’re in the middle of a war, and the uranium is the only thing keeping the enemy away from us.

did we have other sources of deterrence before this year? Israel came close to attacking our nuclear facilities many times in the past, even as far back as 2012.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

You invaded a sovereign nation. You tried to resolve a diplomatic issue with military force. You have stabbed Iran in the back for a "an almost Russian-speaking" country that is strongly allied with your enemy.

The West is not going to give up on this idea. After the "SVO", Finland and Sweden ended decades of apparent neutrality to join NATO. Baltic countries are planting land mines at their borders. Poland is preparing herself for war. Ukrainians hate you with a passion and your relations will not get normalized for decades after the war ends. There's no sign that the West is going to give up on this idea.

Putin, the zionist, is surrounded by zionist jews. 80-90% of Russian billionairs are jews.
Putin betrayed Armenia, Syria and he also betrayed Iran in Syria (probably gave Russian jews inside Israel the command to attack Iranian positions). They're maybe planning to cut off Iranian accesss to caucasus, together with Zionist puppet Aliyev and NATO-Turkey.

Iran warns Russia against siding with Azerbaijan in border dispute

Row may signal that newly elected Tehran government is willing to take tougher line with Moscow

www.theguardian.com

Nato countries increased their defence spendings to 5% not for fun, but because they want to keep the pressure on Russia, but they have also plans against Iran and China.

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[Hack-Hook]

Because now we’re in the middle of a war, and the uranium is the only thing keeping the enemy away from us.

Uranium as mentioned before is not any deterrence.
An explosive device ready to be deployed is deterrence

 

[Rational Philosopher]

I honestly think the goal is to break Iran into weak, irrelevant mini-states so it can never be a real threat again. Look at the map: Turkic regions pulled toward Turkey and Azerbaijan, Arab areas absorbed by Iraq and influenced by the Persian Gulf states, Baluchistan maybe even split off into Pakistan. Kurdish regions could be carved out too. Central Iran and the deserts would be left as a poor, landlocked place, maybe with a tiny “Persian hipster state” in Fars trying to hold on to some cultural identity. A unified Iran, no matter who rules it is always going to be a serious player. Breaking it up is the easiest way to keep it permanently weak.

Too early to say, I think the current goal is regime change, if this proves difficult and the enmity with Israel remains, then this might be a genuine path that's pursued by Israel.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

The West, led by the US, started a war against Russia, and Ukraine was picked as the perfect place to launch a deadly attack. Everything was and is being done to make this happen. The goal of the SVO is to get the West to give up on this idea.
Here are four proposals that describe the situation, strategy, and tactics. Only you don't hear this, and there's no point in playing the victim.

Russia only lost its credibility by attacking Ukraine, Russia lost billions in its economy, lost countless soldiers. It was a blunder by dictator Putin. You wanted to stop NATO expansion and guess what, two more countries added to the NATO just because of your blunder. NATO got stronger because of Putin's blunder.

Russia again lost its credibility in Iran - Israel war. The west will never be friend with Russia after what Russia has done in Ukraine. Your only friends could have been anti-west countries like Iran but Putin decided to stay "neutral". Even a step closer to Israel by saying they are russian speaking. Iran was supposed to be ally of Russia as Iran had given so many drones to Russia for its war. The ally of Israel, the US came down physically over Iran but Russia didn't even sent any equipment. One thing is for sure, Iran will never trust Russia again.

 

[mangekyo]

did we have other sources of deterrence before this year? Israel came close to attacking our nuclear facilities many times in the past, even as far back as 2012.

Back in 2012, things were completely different. Even though they could have attacked our nuclear facilities, they held back because we had real deterrence. Our air defense network was intact, so an attack wasn’t guaranteed to succeed cleanly. And the general consensus was that if they struck, IRI would level Tel-Aviv and Haifa immediately with 10 thousands of missiles and rush to build a bomb. That risk was too high for them.

We also had real regional leverage in Hezbollah, Hamas, Assad and Soleimani was alive and effective. There was real fear of escalation on multiple fronts.

Now it’s different. Our air defenses are degraded. They have near total air superiority. Our allies are gone and our enemies have increased, and we’ve turned into a regime that keeps backing down on its red lines and gives advance notices before striking to avoid real escalation. They realized we’re all talk now. That’s why enriched uranium is basically our last real deterrent. Without it, there’s nothing stopping them.

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[Persian Gulf]

Back in 2012, things were completely different. Even though they could have attacked our nuclear facilities, they held back because we had real deterrence. Our air defense network was intact, so an attack wasn’t guaranteed to succeed cleanly. And the general consensus was that if they struck, IRI would level Tel-Aviv and Haifa immediately with 10 thousands of missiles and rush to build a bomb. That risk was too high for them.

what air defences and MRBMs do you think we had in 2012? however bad our situation is now, and it is very bad, our situation in 2012 was a million times worse

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

Back in 2012, things were completely different. Even though they could have attacked our nuclear facilities, they held back because we had real deterrence. Our air defense network was intact, so an attack wasn’t guaranteed to succeed cleanly. And the general consensus was that if they struck, IRI would level Tel-Aviv and Haifa immediately with 10 thousands of missiles and rush to build a bomb. That risk was too high for them.

We also had real regional leverage in Hezbollah, Hamas, Assad and Soleimani was alive and effective. There was real fear of escalation on multiple fronts.

Now it’s different. Our air defenses are degraded. They have near total air superiority. Our allies are gone and our enemies have increased, and we’ve turned into a regime that gives advance notices before striking to avoid real escalation. They realized we’re all talk now. That’s why enriched uranium is basically our last real deterrent. Without it, there’s nothing stopping them.

It's very important to massively increase power of Yemen. Their position near the Red sea, GCC, Indian Ocean, East Africa, their hold on Bab-al-mandab is strategic. They're brave and have millions of warriors. I hope Iran gives them a lot of more arms and technology, especially missile tech and building fortified structures in their mountains. They showed they will support Iran when Iran is under attack!

 

[Arash]

Putin, the zionist, is surrounded by zionist jews. 80-90% of Russian billionairs are jews.
Putin betrayed Armenia, Syria and he also betrayed Iran in Syria (probably gave Russian jews inside Israel the command to attack Iranian positions). They're maybe planning to cut off Iranian accesss to caucasus, together with Zionist puppet Aliyev and NATO-Turkey.

Iran warns Russia against siding with Azerbaijan in border dispute

Row may signal that newly elected Tehran government is willing to take tougher line with Moscow

www.theguardian.com

Nato countries increased their defence spendings to 5% not for fun, but because they want to keep the pressure on Russia, but they have also plans against Iran and China.

Almost no year old article. Not relevant to current situation.

 

[Arash]

did anyone expect anything different from Israel than indiscriminate mass killing?

Poor little opponents in Evin, once free they Die.... by the hand of their wanabee saviors !

 

[Garcia Sea]

What protects a country is not missiles but the unwavering resolve of its leaders. In 2012, it was believed that bombing Iran would lead to withdrawal from the NPT or the closure of the Strait of Hormuz.
However, it has now been exposed that the Iranian government will not retaliate no matter what is done to it and will continue to flee.
This has resulted in the loss of deterrence.