Sea Sultan Long-Range MPA | Updates & Discussion

[Pak-Warrior]

Advantages over P-3C:

• PN can buy more units whenever it wants
• Cheaper to maintain as it's a widely used airliner
• Cheaper to fly as it's a widely used airliener
• Easier to upgrade as its COTS at every level
• Will likely carry Taimur and/or Rasoob ALCMs.
• Will likely carry AWC LWT

Some details aren't 100% verified, but the AShW payload capacity of the Sea Sultan will be comparable to the P-3C, but ASW capacity may be less than P-3C due to a smaller torpedo bay (if there is one, which also hasn't been 100% confirmed yet).

OTOH, the point of the Sea Sultan is to bank more on lower upfront and lifecycle costs, which helps you buy more units. Moreover, it it would be configured for future ops scenarios, like MUM-T ops with ASW-equipped Shahpar-III or, potentially, P282 compatibility (hypersonic ALBM).

Compared to the P-8, the Sea Sultan will obviously have less range, less endurance, and less payload. However, the Sea Sultan will likely have a much lower upfront and lifecycle cost.

For ex., the Saab Swordfish (comparable concept to the Sea Sultan) was to cost 2/3 the Poseidon upfront, and 1/3 over its life. I'd wager the Sea Sultan is comparable to that, or even less.

So, PN is looking for bigger fleet of sea sultans. The platform will have ASW & AShm capability. The onboard sensors can help it detect enemy warships. how about aerial threats to itself? Is there any detection capabilities against aerial threats ? So it can remains away from those. Do PN intends to induct AEW&C aircraft as well ?

 

[CSAW]

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[Bin Laden]

I sometimes wonder had PAF and PN instead of going their separate ways with eireyes and sea sultans went with a common platform I.e Global eye!?

Wouldn't it be most cost effective to standardise on a single platform. Economies of scale would bring down price per plane.

Ofc the downside being much higher upfront cost and every mission may not need multiple types of sensors. And technically it's efficient to have purpose built planes but that is lowkey a luxury for a country like pakistan.

So imagine a scenario where PAF and PN (maybe PA avi too) chose to build a fleet of 15-20 globaleye/iai oron type multi mission plane for AEW/ISR/MPA wouldn't that been great.

Just a thought.

 

[flyingorca]

What weapons will PN sea sultan carry?

 

[RescueRanger]

What weapons will PN sea sultan carry?

Remains to be seen.

 

[CSAW]

 

[White Privilege]

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Systems aside, I think that man eater paint job would scare the veggies alone..

 

[farooqbhai]

I sometimes wonder had PAF and PN instead of going their separate ways with eireyes and sea sultans went with a common platform I.e Global eye!?

Wouldn't it be most cost effective to standardise on a single platform. Economies of scale would bring down price per plane.

Ofc the downside being much higher upfront cost and every mission may not need multiple types of sensors. And technically it's efficient to have purpose built planes but that is lowkey a luxury for a country like pakistan.

So imagine a scenario where PAF and PN (maybe PA avi too) chose to build a fleet of 15-20 globaleye/iai oron type multi mission plane for AEW/ISR/MPA wouldn't that been great.

Just a thought.

Its wrong in every way, first of all nowhere do Navy & Airforce share the same plane as they have vastly different roles. Then as PAF already has 7+ Erieyes in service on SAAB 2K, and the PN has already procured 3~4 lineage 1000s. What you are proposing is for both forces to ditch current platforms and to adapt a new unified platform.

 

[ghazi52]

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[rafale]

SeaSpray 7500E V2 has quoted range of 320NM which is about 500km....is that true? Is that enough to pick a fighter sized target at that range?

I think it would be eventually aim to link SeaSultan with SAAB 2000 and PAF network to enhance marine+overland coverage into one cohesive picture.

 

[Aziqbal]

any idea if the 6 remaining Embraer Lineage 1000 will come from Falcon Aviation Services in Abu Dhabi?

 

[kimjongun]

Seeing the legendry p3c aircrafts retire after a couple of years is sadd....its was type of aircraft you could easily identify as it flew over you.....

 

[Toxic]

Seeing the legendry p3c aircrafts retire after a couple of years is sadd....its was type of aircraft you could easily identify as it flew over you.....

They aren't being retired.

 

[PakistaniDefender]

Compared to the P-8, the Sea Sultan will obviously have less range, less endurance, and less payload. However, the Sea Sultan will likely have a much lower upfront and lifecycle cost.

What about radars and other sensors?

 

[Ak01]

any idea if the 6 remaining Embraer Lineage 1000 will come from Falcon Aviation Services in Abu Dhabi?

unlikely.

2 were falcon airframes, one is a dubai royal flight ex airframe just bought, one is an ex chinese and one is an ex american reg bird.

5 in total so far.