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The whole Abrahamic accord seems Dodgy , because how can you have a Abrahamic accord if you are committing Genocide of Palestinians , are they not of Abrahamic lineage ?

Or is the real purpose of this accord is divide the Sunni world and Shia world and hope they fight each other?

Even Today , we see some contradictions
  • Houthis are called Houthis , not "Arab" they speak Arabic language
  • Iranians are called persians , not Muslim and beyond that their shia aspect is highlighted I just see them as Muslim
  • Palestinians are again viewed differently
Israeli Continue to Kill Palestinians and talk of Accord is quite confusing

If these contradictions don't exist , then it seems like nice accord

Accord should have a foundation for peace for all people


However as it is a PAF thread , we should not derail the thread, the So called accord have nothing to do with Pakistan


Pakistan's Two State Policy for Palestine/Israel is quite simple to understand , endorsed by United Nation and world
 
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AZADPAKISTAN2009 said:
Well in past such visits have resulted in
  • Promises of Super Cobra helicopters (Never came)
  • F16 Upgrades (came but older C/D model)
  • Engines for Turkish helicopter (Never came)
  • 4 OHP were promised only 1 came
  • We bought those F16 in 1980's (never delivered )
  • We begged/asked for Awacs in 1980 (never delivered us 1 )
Only they would know what was discussed
Turkey , invested billions in F35
  • Never delivered

USA invited COAS initially
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Hi,

By now,,,, everyone knows what will be discussed.
 
Enlighten us , hard for me to know
Official press release would be idea avenue instead of rumours
 
MastanKhan said:
Hi,

By now,,,, everyone knows what will be discussed.
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I would say everyone wants to think they know based on their personal biases what will be discussed. But at the end its pretty mundane if not for the matter of PAF wanting to prolong effectiveness of certain assets so they can “keep up” instead of having to really put them in the backseat.
 
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Oscar said:
I would say everyone wants to think they know based on their personal biases what will be discussed. But at the end its pretty mundane if not for the matter of PAF wanting to prolong effectiveness of certain assets so they can “keep up” instead of having to really put them in the backseat.
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What would you do to the F-16s if you were the CAS?
 
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Babur visit and turkeys renewed interest in the F-35 probably has some common ground. Not saying that we’re looking for F-35s but it could be in terms of US origin parts for KAAN for which both PAF and TuAF are jointly cooperating.

Pak-US military cooperation should never end though. It’s only beneficial for us to keep all the cards intact in the table. China is still struggling with their powerplant despite their marvelous progress. Turks Engine is still far away from entering service.

Besides, if we sign the Abraham accords, we should extract as much benefit out of it as possible.

Although, F-35s might probably never see PAF colors even if we had the money for it. China wouldn’t want us to and neither would the US.

@MastanKhan @Oscar
 
It is amalgamation of words and phrases we have listened too many times in these PAF PR videos which are nothing more than personal glorification campaign of CAS instead of PAF team or as an organization. Every video has one theme... "CAS vision..." That's why they never highlight anything specific. You can watch last 5 videos where CAS met with various dignitaries in AHQ. almost every video is same.
 
StormBreaker said:
What would you do to the F-16s if you were the CAS?
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18 Block-52s to upgrade to V
18 new Block-72s

36 - F-16s


use current relationships to push through in cash (trump knows we have it for that)

Insist that 120D is provided - They know India is just stringing them along and has no intention of buying US fighters anymore.

F-16s serve both as potent assets - and diplomatic connection allowing participation in NATO exercises
 
Oscar said:
18 Block-52s to upgrade to V
18 new Block-72s

36 - F-16s


use current relationships to push through in cash (trump knows we have it for that)

Insist that 120D is provided - They know India is just stringing them along and has no intention of buying US fighters anymore.

F-16s serve both as potent assets - and diplomatic connection allowing participation in NATO exercises
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What of the older airframes? Why should we not pursue SLEP+V or is it not economically feasible?
 
StormBreaker said:
Really bad choice. A lot of our senior Highly experienced pilots spent most of their career on these birds. The experience we have of them along with further upgrades could give us far better punch than inducting new J-10s.
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Upgrades are not forthcoming as of now. Turkish Ozgur Upgrades are available but very expensive. Something like 80m per aircraft
 
Fatman17 said:
Upgrades are not forthcoming as of now. Turkish Ozgur Upgrades are available but very expensive. Something like 80m per aircraft
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Hi, Turkey only has the source codes for F-16 Block 30. As such, I do not know if the Ozgur upgrade can be done on the PAF F-16s.

www.aviacionline.com

Project ÖZGÜR: Turkey starts modernizing its F-16 with indigenous technology

The ÖZGÜR project is a locally developed modernization package to be applied to the Turkish Air Force’s F-16 Block 30 fleet. According to the SavunmaSanayiST site, following the successful testing of the F-16 prototype modernized with technology developed by the Turkish defense industry, the serial
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