Iran Plans to Buy Chinese J-10C Instead of Russian Su-35

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Has the APG-77 of F22 upgraded its hardware, or has it only optimized its software and modified its waveform?

The aviation technology of Russia and the United States has played a significant role in the development of aviation technology in China. We are grateful to them, they are our teachers. However, teachers may not always be stronger than students.

They are not idle, why you think USA/ and Russia sitting idle allowing China to surpass? they have lots experience and you're just a beginner from scratch

And no hardware upgrade for APG-77 only software upgrades but who knows what kind of classified tech APG-77 have

 

[MH.Yang]

There is no way China is going to sell the strategic pinnacle AWACS KJ-3000 to anyone, that is only in the testing stage in China now.

I know, that's why I said 'Iran should do everything possible to get it'.

In addition, it will take at least 10 years for Iran to rebuild its air force, and after 10 years, the KJ-3000 may be allowed for sale.

And in 10 years, the Israeli Air Force should be at a technological low point of aircraft replacement. Iran should seek a strategic window to launch a surprise attack and annihilate the Israeli Air Force.

The technologically weaker side should take the initiative to launch surprise attacks and annihilate the opponent's high-tech troops. The side with a larger population and larger territory and stronger comprehensive national strength should use a protracted war to strangle the opponent's population, economy, and future development potential. Assault and protracted war are the correct ways to completely solve the Israeli issue.

Iranians need to understand that you can lose a hundred times, while Israel and the United States only need to lose once to be completely defeated.

 

[PakistanLVR]

You are proving my point.

Russia kept Assad afloat only to be a thorn in Turkey's side. He was never a threat to Israel and would never have been allowed to become one. Russia made sure of that and abandoned him when a secret deal was made with President-elect Trump to trade Iran/Syria for Ukraine.

this proves the point that Muslims can only depend on other Muslims.

 

[PakAl]

China will not sell the jets until sanctions are removed which they won´t be and China will protect their air defense industry from second sanctions.

Iran should first rather focus on removing the sanctions

This is why i say Iran needs to change its policies, they must allow joint nationalist and revolutionary rise in the army on merit, let army be independent from politics, allow them to choose how to defend iranian airspace since the current plan for decades flopped big time, build small cutting edge airforce, atleast they will be able to fight off invaders for a few days until invaders overtake iranian airspace and by that time Iran can fire 1000s of missiles at enemies. Iran must also amend relations with GCC, get closer to Turkey China Pakistan, tone down on anti Usa slogans and instead use diplomacy and diplomatic language. Iran can then use this to lobby Russia China Turkey to support removal of sanctions so Iran can rebuilt its military. Iran must also join CPEC, one road belt and get very close to China.

 

[PakAl]

Lol. A good suggestion. First beg west for sanctions relief and then go for China while we will always refuse beggars.

No need to beg, just tone down on anti Usa slogans etc, especially by iranian officials, bring China Russia on board and say we are no threat to the west etc, ofcourse Iranian nuclear research will need to be stopped and just maybe sanctions will be removed. Or just build the bomb and get it over and done with.

 

[PakAl]

this proves the point that Muslims can only depend on other Muslims.

When Saddam and Gaddafi were toppled, Russia only made noise, then over the years claimed what mistakes these leaders made and how the west destroyed these nations, back then Russia was alot weaker and so was China, except during Gaddafi time. So when it was Al Assad time, his government requested help and Russia gave them alot of help, they destroyed the rebels via airforce but then Turkey and Usa intervened militarily and turned it in to stalemate. Usa then cornered Russia in Ukraine, this was game over for Russian help, and they had no choice but to back off in Syria, same in Iran, if Russia wasn't so weak I don't think they would have allowed western attack on Iran, even now Usa is facing alot of opposition from China Pakistan and Russia to not attack Iran, i am talking a proper war like in Iraq Libya.

 

[MH.Yang]

No need to beg, just tone down on anti Usa slogans etc, especially by iranian officials, bring China Russia on board and say we are no threat to the west etc, ofcourse Iranian nuclear research will need to be stopped and just maybe sanctions will be removed. Or just build the bomb and get it over and done with.

Do only I think that Iran's desire for nuclear weapons is actually a signal of retreat and isolation, rather than a signal of expansion and progress?

Nuclear weapons are not actually offensive weapons, but weapons of deterrence and defense.

Or, what will Iran do after obtaining nuclear weapons? Will it really help the Palestinians?

 

[Developereo]

this proves the point that Muslims can only depend on other Muslims.

I don't think alliances between peers are workable. EU has mostly failed; SCO, BRICS, OIC and similar organizations are nothing more than an excuse for politicians to travel around and have a holiday at public expense.

SCO may have teeth when Russia degrades to a lowly member, India is kicked out, and China becomes the dominant member.

The only alliances that worked even remotely are NATO and Warsaw Pact because they were formed around a single kernel of power. Global geopolitics is not a game of democracy, it is a game of balancing dominant spheres of influence.

Trump understands this better than the his elitist detractors who mock him as a simpleton: Trump wants to deal with the dominant players that matter in global affairs: Russia and China. Everyone else is a bit player and can be ignored.

If Muslims are to see unity, it won't be a coalition of equals. Muslim unity will form around a single Muslim country that can stand tall in global affairs. Right now the situation doesn't look good. Muslim countries are a no-show in any emergent technology, even Europe is becoming irrelevant, and India got a rude shock that it was only 'relevant' at the West's indulgence.

The global race has narrowed to China v/s the US and the rest of the world is fast becoming irrelevant.

 

[Cash gk]

yes, interception been made over 10 to 13 points.

There is a method they can use when planning their next attack.
They should position some proxy forces near the launch sites in advance. When interception systems activate, these proxies can disrupt or interfere with the interception in real time.

This is exactly what Israel did — their proxies were positioned right under or near the launch areas, allowing them to respond instantly during the interception phase.attacks.

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From these defense systems, you can understand that the Americans, Europeans, and the British have effectively encircled the entire Middle East.
Their forces are stationed in nearly every strategic location, which — from a historical perspective — amounts to a form of occupation.

 

[Cash gk]

When Saddam and Gaddafi were toppled, Russia only made noise, then over the years claimed what mistakes these leaders made and how the west destroyed these nations, back then Russia was alot weaker and so was China, except during Gaddafi time. So when it was Al Assad time, his government requested help and Russia gave them alot of help, they destroyed the rebels via airforce but then Turkey and Usa intervened militarily and turned it in to stalemate. Usa then cornered Russia in Ukraine, this was game over for Russian help, and they had no choice but to back off in Syria, same in Iran, if Russia wasn't so weak I don't think they would have allowed western attack on Iran, even now Usa is facing alot of opposition from China Pakistan and Russia to not attack Iran, i am talking a proper war like in Iraq Libya.

You can gauge from this how far the United States is willing to go to defend Israel.

 

[MH.Yang]

There is a method they can use when planning their next attack.
They should position some proxy forces near the launch sites in advance. When interception systems activate, these proxies can disrupt or interfere with the interception in real time.

This is exactly what Israel did — their proxies were positioned right under or near the launch areas, allowing them to respond instantly during the interception phase.attacks.
From these defense systems, you can understand that the Americans, Europeans, and the British have effectively encircled the entire Middle East.
Their forces are stationed in nearly every strategic location, which — from a historical perspective — amounts to a form of occupation.

Actually, if we look at it from a larger geopolitical perspective. In addition to Europe and North America, China has already gained advantages and completed structural layouts in regions such as Africa, East Asia, Central Asia, Southeast Asia, and South America. Western countries are the ones surrounded.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Any sale from China to Iran should be proportional to Sale of F16 fleet to Taiwan

Need to arm Iran so their is a balancing deterrent

It's not aggressive move, just doing what USA did with Taiwan Airforce

Weapon Supply from USA/France to Taiwan
USA has provided 150 F16 C/D to Taiwan
French have provided additional 40 Mirage 2000 for Taiwan

Weapon Supply from China/Russia to Iran
So based on this figure , China should be ok to provided 100 J10C to Iran
2 Awacs
Russia should provide 30 Sukhoi 30 Jets to Iran

From a very balanced approach China/Russia should be able to act in a responsible manner to protect their National Interest


Strong deterrence is Iran having respectable Airforce

For China Iran is a important strategic partner in region

• For China Iran is idea way to get back at USA , ideal way to make a statement. USA often acts as bully to arm up Taiwan and then it threatens China

At least from my own personal view , it feels like a Logical way to balance the void in region , the imbalance

But it is up to China if they feel Iran qualifies to get

• J35
• High Range , SAM Systems

 

[MH.Yang]

Any sale from China to Iran should be proportional to Sale of F16 fleet to Taiwan

Need to arm Iran so their is a balancing deterrent

It's not aggressive move, just doing what USA did with Taiwan Airforce

Weapon Supply from USA/France to Taiwan
USA has provided 150 F16 C/D to Taiwan
French have provided additional 40 Mirage 2000 for Taiwan

Weapon Supply from China/Russia to Iran
So based on this figure , China should be ok to provided 100 J10C to Iran
2 Awacs
Russia should provide 30 Sukhoi 30 Jets to Iran

From a very balanced approach China/Russia should be able to act in a responsible manner to protect their National Interest


Strong deterrence is Iran having respectable Airforce

For China Iran is a important strategic partner in region

• For China Iran is idea way to get back at USA , ideal way to make a statement. USA often acts as bully to arm up Taiwan and then it threatens China

At least from my own personal view , it feels like a Logical way to balance the void in region , the imbalance

But it is up to China if they feel Iran qualifies to get

• J35
• High Range , SAM Systems

Iran is a country, Taiwan is not. We will not accept the two being compared.

Whether to export weapons to Iran is decided by the Chinese government, and only sanctions resolutions passed by the United Nations Security Council can constrain China. Of course, China has veto power in the Security Council.

Of course, if any country has the strength of the United States that is not afraid of retaliation, it can give it a try. But if it's only Lithuania's strength, it's better not to touch it.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

It is quite strange that USA can Arm up Taiwan , who technically belongs to Taiwan , seem illegal

 

[corven]

Any sale from China to Iran should be proportional to Sale of F16 fleet to Taiwan

Need to arm Iran so their is a balancing deterrent

It's not aggressive move, just doing what USA did with Taiwan Airforce

Weapon Supply from USA/France to Taiwan
USA has provided 150 F16 C/D to Taiwan
French have provided additional 40 Mirage 2000 for Taiwan

Weapon Supply from China/Russia to Iran
So based on this figure , China should be ok to provided 100 J10C to Iran
2 Awacs
Russia should provide 30 Sukhoi 30 Jets to Iran

From a very balanced approach China/Russia should be able to act in a responsible manner to protect their National Interest


Strong deterrence is Iran having respectable Airforce

For China Iran is a important strategic partner in region

• For China Iran is idea way to get back at USA , ideal way to make a statement. USA often acts as bully to arm up Taiwan and then it threatens China

At least from my own personal view , it feels like a Logical way to balance the void in region , the imbalance

But it is up to China if they feel Iran qualifies to get

• J35
• High Range , SAM Systems

China's national interests are limited to China's neighborhood and global commercial interests. China is really concerned only about China's surrounding areas, and there must be no turbulent political situation in the surrounding areas that will affect China's development. It mainly refers to Taiwan, the South China Sea, the Korean Peninsula, the Indochina Peninsula and the subcontinent. In addition to Taiwan and the South China Sea, the main targets of attention are North Korea, Myanmar and Pakistan. Russia, Afghanistan, the five Central Asian countries, Pakistan, Myanmar, Laos, Vietnam and Nepal are all friendly countries of China. Although India has territorial disputes with China, the geographical environment determines that there will only be local conflicts between China and India (unless India is ready to annex Pakistan). India is not a friendly country, but it is not too hostile either. The Modi government is still willing to maintain peace on the border through negotiations, and given its strength, it cannot cause too much trouble.
As for other parts of the world, China has no interest in intervening or participating in the regional political process. China is not the United States, where we won’t just beat up anyone we dislike.
China is concerned about the development of its own country.