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[the saint]

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[OldTwilight]

Look like the only option is to take same path we walked for missiles development.

When Chinese members demand us to act as client state in exchange of some limited numbers of outdated 4.5th gen fighters ( The world already started to develop 6th gen fighters and 5th gen become a norm ) then , their politicians would have same idea.


Just cancel all of our fighter jet programs and start from scratch and with indigiouse design, we just need a good manager like Tehrani Moghaddam here.

 

[Avicenna]

Look like the only option is to take same path we walked for missiles development.

When Chinese members demand us to act as client state in exchange of some limited numbers of outdated 4.5th gen fighters ( The world already started to develop 6th gen fighters and 5th gen become a norm ) then , their politicians would have same idea.


Just cancel all of our fighter jet programs and start from scratch and with indigiouse design, we just need a good manager like Tehrani Moghaddam here.

You guys don’t have time to mess around.

 

[Michael]

The inter-service feud, Artesh and Sepah.

I agree that there is no way that the two Iranian armies will merge.

But, IMO, the relationship between them can be referred to the relationship between the PLA and PAP. ------ I said reference, not mimic.

Both PLA and PAP are active Chinese military forces. They remain independent of each other, but work in tandem with each other, and CCP has a completely different approach to how they are utilized and how they are managed.

When Chinese members demand us to act as client state in exchange of some limited numbers of outdated 4.5th gen fighters ( The world already started to develop 6th gen fighters and 5th gen become a norm ) then , their politicians would have same idea.

I don't know where you got that opinion from. But it is not the current mainstream view in China, nor is it the position of the Chinese Government.

1. When it comes to China's internal affairs, Chinese civil opinion still holds some sway over the Chinese government. However, on international issues, the influence of Chinese civil opinion on the Chinese government is almost negligible.

2. In Chinese civil society, our views on Iran are relatively neutral. Namely Both On the whole, we are friendly countries with each other. The Chinese people do not have any hostile views towards Iran (except for religious issues). all In my observation, I don't see the view that anyone wants to develop Iran as a Chinese vassal state.

3. 99% of Chinese were in favor of Iran during the Iran-Israel conflict. Some voices blaming Iran do exist in the Chinese Internet. But these voices mainly refer to the weakness of some Iranian politicians, not against Iran, let alone trying to develop Iran as a vassal state of China.

4. From what we have learned, it is Iran that looks down on Chinese weaponry, not China's reluctance to sell it to Iran. Iran is free to choose from among all of China's foreign trade-type weapon systems without any obstacles. Of course, if Iran wishes to make some unusual deals, then deep negotiations are needed.

5. In Chinese tradition, we despise the “balanced foreign policy”. Many traditional Chinese will openly despise countries that implement such a policy. But this policy is the basic policy of most countries in the world. Therefore, it will take some time for ordinary Chinese to change this concept.

 

[vizier]

Look like the only option is to take same path we walked for missiles development.

When Chinese members demand us to act as client state in exchange of some limited numbers of outdated 4.5th gen fighters ( The world already started to develop 6th gen fighters and 5th gen become a norm ) then , their politicians would have same idea.


Just cancel all of our fighter jet programs and start from scratch and with indigiouse design, we just need a good manager like Tehrani Moghaddam here.

You cant make a fighter jet in a short period of time. But you can make Valkyrie like loyal wingman cheaper a2a stealth drones.

J10 can stay behind and send these loyal wingmen first to incoming enemy fighters. J10 stronger radar can be used before getting into range. Jf17 can do its job pretty well against any 4.5 gen as we have seen in Pak-India conflicts as well.

You need an awacs staying much behind frontlines and flying low to detect incoming high flying f35s(they dont risk flying low because of not being targeted and stealth protects them when they fly high. They need to get close to target like about 100kms unlike f15s sending albms flying low 1000kms away) and send the loyal wingmen against them.

 

[OldTwilight]

You guys don’t have time to mess around.

Look like no one is going to sell us anything in meaningful numbers in short period of time and even adding 40 fighters to our AF would take at least 2 years ... unless china would be willing to overhaul and sell her operational J10c to us while train our experienced pilots in 2-3 month ...

if we are going to buy anything from China , for future, then we should go for J35AE ....

100-150 Su35 and Su30 for heavy weight interceptor and strike package alongside 40-60 J35AE would be enough for our defensive needs ... our missiles force is strong enough for offensive purpose

 

[vizier]

This one is antique Russian one but you get the idea. You can attach a good radar to your helicopters and fly low detecting high flying targets. Awacs is good at detecting low flying targets from high but in your case your primary threat are the high flying enemy planes. Shorads can take care of low flying threats for the time being.

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Additional note: A2a Karrar drones mass produced can be a stop gap measure before integrating loyal wingman valkyrie type of stealth drones.

 

[Flotilla]

Iran is not getting the J10CE.
China would not risk sanctions and backlash from USA, Europe, Israel and Arab nations over such a sale.
Even if the sale were to happen, China wants cash. Iran wants to barter oil. China doesn't prefer that.

Most realistic scenario short term for Iran is to upgrade the 22-24 Mig 29's they have to Mig29M2 so that they can aid in protecting the capital region (Tehran area). Maybe even get more models if Russia would sell them second hand ones. 48 Mig 29M2's would be helpful to patrol Tehran and parts of Iran's western borders. These need to be armed with the R77.
If they can get the Yak130M instead of the base Yak130, that would be a plus. Replace the F7, Mirage F1, and aging F5's with the Yak130M. The R-73 on the Yak130 and Mig 29 has a max range of about 30 km. Iran needs the RVV-MD which is an upgraded export model of the R73 with 40 km range. Replace all the R73's Iran has with the upgraded model RVV-MD.
Upgrade the Sukhio 24 as well to the M2 version if Russia allows.
IRGC air force should retire the Sukhio 22 and the budget that was used maintaining that garbage fleet should just be allocated to the Sukhio 24's at least.

Now Iran's jet fleet can look more like this
Mig 29M2
Yak 130M
Sukhio 24M2
F14
F4

This is way better than current status quo with all these different planes and supply lines. The Yak130M replacing all the F7, Mirage F1, and F5 provides Iran with suitable training platform and light combat jet. It will also prepare Iranian pilots for the Su35 if it ever comes lol.

Which Mig29?? Probably most of them have been hit in ground.
The only way It is re-stock as much as missiles in the fastest way and then Long range interceptors. Su35 are the only realistic way. J10 would complete shorter ranger fighters.

 

[Flotilla]

To be confirmed, but the video is american.

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[nang2]

Look like the only option is to take same path we walked for missiles development.

When Chinese members demand us to act as client state in exchange of some limited numbers of outdated 4.5th gen fighters ( The world already started to develop 6th gen fighters and 5th gen become a norm ) then , their politicians would have same idea.


Just cancel all of our fighter jet programs and start from scratch and with indigiouse design, we just need a good manager like Tehrani Moghaddam here.

I think this statement would irritate Indians more than Chinese.

 

[RealNapster]

Look like no one is going to sell us anything in meaningful numbers in short period of time and even adding 40 fighters to our AF would take at least 2 years ... unless china would be willing to overhaul and sell her operational J10c to us while train our experienced pilots in 2-3 month ...

if we are going to buy anything from China , for future, then we should go for J35AE ....

100-150 Su35 and Su30 for heavy weight interceptor and strike package alongside 40-60 J35AE would be enough for our defensive needs ... our missiles force is strong enough for offensive purpose

1. You think delivery of J-10cs will take 2+ years which is too much. Yet you have no other option. No one will sell you meaningful number in short period of time because no one have that capability. China do not have the capability to manufacture 60+ J-10Cs in a single year. Russia wont be able to sell you 40 jets even in 6 years.

2. You seek Training your experienced pilots within 2-3 months. All your experienced pilots fly were 2.5 to 3rd generation jets, manufactured in 80s. You want them to be able to fly 4.5 generation jets in 3 months ? Good luck. It took Pakistan about 6+ months.

3. If you believe no one want to sell you anything. Why would china sell J-35 then ? Also, do you believe your pilots can directly transition from 2.5 generation jets to 5th generation ? Even within 1 year training ?.


Why does Iranians seems this confuse ? It's plain simple. If you want jets to be delivered, order J-10c from china. Because it will only sell you J-10c. Don't wait for J-35 because neither can you wait. Nor will china sell you J-35. And forget about receiving anything from Russia. They have the seriousness of delivering 2-3 jets per year. Good luck ordering from them.

 

[OldTwilight]

1. You think delivery of J-10cs will take 2+ years which is too much. Yet you have no other option. No one will sell you meaningful number in short period of time because no one have that capability. China do not have the capability to manufacture 60+ J-10Cs in a single year. Russia wont be able to sell you 40 jets even in 6 years.

2. You seek Training your experienced pilots within 2-3 months. All your experienced pilots fly were 2.5 to 3rd generation jets, manufactured in 80s. You want them to be able to fly 4.5 generation jets in 3 months ? Good luck. It took Pakistan about 6+ months.

3. If you believe no one want to sell you anything. Why would china sell J-35 then ? Also, do you believe your pilots can directly transition from 2.5 generation jets to 5th generation ? Even within 1 year training ?.


Why does Iranians seems this confuse ? It's plain simple. If you want jets to be delivered, order J-10c from china. Because it will only sell you J-10c. Don't wait for J-35 because neither can you wait. Nor will china sell you J-35. And forget about receiving anything from Russia. They have the seriousness of delivering 2-3 jets per year. Good luck ordering from them.

first our experienced pilots are flying 4th gen fighters, and some of them are trained in Russia for Su35 and with Yak130 ...

And yes , if we are gonna wait for more than 2 years just to get J10 , then it is useless , I'm sure the Zions are ordering more F35 and buying 4.5th gen fighters won't change anything for us against 5th gen fighters...

Both China and Russia don't have any obligation to sell anything to us .... hell, even if order the fighters, they can cancel the deal.

The only reliable option for us is to stop messing around and build some serious stuff for ourselves...

 

[RealNapster]

first our experienced pilots are flying 4th gen fighters, and some of them are trained in Russia for Su35 and with Yak130 ...

And yes , if we are gonna wait for more than 2 years just to get J10 , then it is useless , I'm sure the Zions are ordering more F35 and buying 4.5th gen fighters won't change anything for us against 5th gen fighters...

Both China and Russia don't have any obligation to sell anything to us .... hell, even if order the fighters, they can cancel the deal.

The only reliable option for us is to stop messing around and build some serious stuff for ourselves...

Good luck with that.

 

[OldTwilight]

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[ShapurII]

first our experienced pilots are flying 4th gen fighters, and some of them are trained in Russia for Su35 and with Yak130 ...

And yes , if we are gonna wait for more than 2 years just to get J10 , then it is useless , I'm sure the Zions are ordering more F35 and buying 4.5th gen fighters won't change anything for us against 5th gen fighters...

Both China and Russia don't have any obligation to sell anything to us .... hell, even if order the fighters, they can cancel the deal.

The only reliable option for us is to stop messing around and build some serious stuff for ourselves...

There will never be an Iranian 4.5th gen fighter in the next 5 years.
We need to import jet fighters, even if it means to give short-term concessions to China.

I'd rather give Chabahar to China for 10 years than to see Iran balkanized, assuming they really want Chabahar though. Iran wanted the Chinese to invest in Chabahar in 2013 but they didn't because of US sanctions.