Iran Plans to Buy Chinese J-10C Instead of Russian Su-35

[gambit]

This reminds me of the history of the air war over Korea. US pilots didn't care who was flying the MiGs. They shot them down regardless.

That was exactly the point.

 

[corven]

Let us say that Israel decides to attack any J-10 entering Iranian airspace, regardless of the nationality of the pilots.

Realistically, what can China do?

Then I would also assume that China launched a nuclear bomb at Israel and flattened Israel because of Israel's attack on Chinese fighter jets. What can the United States do? Launch a nuclear war against China? Mutual nuclear destruction?
Are you Israeli or American Jewish?

 

[corven]

This reminds me of the history of the air war over Korea. US pilots didn't care who was flying the MiGs. They shot them down regardless.

Did the United States destroy North Korea in the end of the Korean War? Why didn't the United States dare to send ground troops to attack North Vietnam during the Vietnam War? From the Obama administration to the Trump administration, they all wanted to overthrow the Burmese military government, so why didn't they dare to take action after China's warning? Your ally South Korea asked you to destroy North Korea's nuclear facilities. Why didn't you dare to do it? The previous South Korean government asked you to help him complete the great cause of unifying the Korean Peninsula. Why did you repeatedly reject South Korea's request? China’s military bases in the South China Sea are right there. You once claimed that you would destroy them. Why don’t you do it? You don't have the guts! The only courage you have is to sign a ceasefire agreement with the Houthi armed forces. If Israel hadn't taken a risk this time, Trump wouldn't have dared to do anything to Iran.

 

[KingQamaR]

This reminds me of the history of the air war over Korea. US pilots didn't care who was flying the MiGs. They shot them down regardless.

Israeli jets weren’t flying over Iranian skies lol. No air war over Iran. Israel used mostly stand Off weapons lobbed from beyond the border at a distance . Most Israeli aerial were in western and parts of central iran. The challenge here is that Irans neighbours are completely treacherous.

 

[Developereo]

I heard, and maybe am wrong, that a good chunk, if not majority, of degrees are in 'Islamic studies'. I hope it stays that way.

I don't know the breakdown of degrees awarded but, as we all know, in order to compete in modern technology, you need all the pieces in place. You need

1. a secondary school system that prepares students in the basics,
2. a university system that brings them up to speed in the latest,
3. a business ecosystem that absorbs graduates into well paying jobs, and
4. a consumer market that fuels the whole pipeline.

If there is a leak at any point, people and companies will emigrate away.

Only the US and China have the complete chain domestically. Even Europe lacks #4 at scale because companies have to navigate 30 different languages and legal landscapes, which is why Europe has fallen behind China and the US.

Muslim leaders haven't even bothered to invest in #1, never mind #2. Without those foundations, higher levels have no chance of flourishing, let alone competing on the global stage.

 

[iblini]

Then I would also assume that China launched a nuclear bomb at Israel and flattened Israel because of Israel's attack on Chinese fighter jets. What can the United States do? Launch a nuclear war against China? Mutual nuclear destruction?
Are you Israeli or American Jewish?

He is an ethnic Vietnamese, age 60+, a MAGA South Vietnam traitor, lol, what a combo.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

You are proving my point.

Russia kept Assad afloat only to be a thorn in Turkey's side. He was never a threat to Israel and would never have been allowed to become one. Russia made sure of that and abandoned him when a secret deal was made with President-elect Trump to trade Iran/Syria for Ukraine.

lol, last time I heard this 'secret deal with Turkey' theory, it was a different version, the gist of it, is it was not Trump, but the democrats cashing out on Gulen's death, a bit more convincing to me but they all are dismissed until something concrete emerges. come on, Trump is never shrewd in these backroom diplomatic deals, guy sends his golf buddy around for all the errands, clearly he lacks the channels and connections that he can trust

Russia turned the tide on the Syrian civil war pretty much single-handedly, why people just ignore that, whatever they feel about Assad, the Syria we now have is million times worse, this is where I feel China should have done more, yet in 2023 Assad came to Beijing seeking for help and left empty handed. That's how you know Putin truly understands the strategic significance of Syria and Xi does not. SAD!

I sure hope the Iranians won't delude themselves into buying this shit and distance a valuable ally

 

[Developereo]

lol, last time I heard this 'secret deal with Turkey' theory, it was a different version, the gist of it, is it was not Trump, but the democrats cashing out on Gulen's death, a bit more convincing to me but they all are dismissed until something concrete emerges. come on, Trump is never shrewd in these backroom diplomatic deals, guy sends his golf buddy around for all the errands, clearly he lacks the channels and connections that he can trust

Russia turned the tide on the Syrian civil war pretty much single-handedly, why people just ignore that, whatever they feel about Assad, the Syria we now have is million times worse, this is where I feel China should have done more, yet in 2023 Assad came to Beijing seeking for help and left empty handed. That's how you know Putin truly understands the strategic significance of Syria and Xi does not. SAD!

I sure hope the Iranians won't delude themselves into buying this shit and distance a valuable ally

Not sure what you were reading.

There was no deal with Turkey. Trump made a deal with Putin. US would let Russia have Ukraine if Russia gave up Syria and Iran to US/Israel.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

Not sure what you were reading.

There was no deal with Turkey. Trump made a deal with Putin. US would let Russia have Ukraine if Russia gave up Syria and Iran to US/Israel.

well in that case, I doubt it even more, Trump is fighting Biden's leftover war now, after all the back and forth hustling with zelensky

see the big picture, also remember who run the media and good at pushing these narratives

 

[PakAl]

Do only I think that Iran's desire for nuclear weapons is actually a signal of retreat and isolation, rather than a signal of expansion and progress?

Nuclear weapons are not actually offensive weapons, but weapons of deterrence and defense.

Or, what will Iran do after obtaining nuclear weapons? Will it really help the Palestinians?

Nuke weapons will gurantee Iranian security or else they face an existence threat, nukes cannot help Palestinians or anyone else, everyone will die if used. It's complex situation for Iran, for the last 30 odd years we have been hearing Iran is making the bomb, they have been isolated and sanctioned, all this suffering and still no bomb. Maybe its best for Iran to completely leave the nuclear development, and sign peace deal with gcc, Usa and the rest, then move towards an alliance with China. But some Iranians are saying it's nothing to do with nukes but only to do with Iranian revolution so west will never be happy until regime is changed.

 

[ety]

Russia turned the tide on the Syrian civil war pretty much single-handedly, why people just ignore that, whatever they feel about Assad, the Syria we now have is million times worse, this is where I feel China should have done more, yet in 2023 Assad came to Beijing seeking for help and left empty handed. That's how you know Putin truly understands the strategic significance of Syria and Xi does not. SAD!

What do you want Xi to do ? Like Putin sent Russian soldiers, Xi ought to had sent Chinese soldiers to fight in Syrian civil war on Assad side ? That was probably could had saved Assad regime. But, that's unrealistic, China probably never will send soldiers to fight in far away lands.

 

[PakAl]

If Muslims are to see unity, it won't be a coalition of equals. Muslim unity will form around a single Muslim country that can stand tall in global affairs. Right now the situation doesn't look good. Muslim countries are a no-show in any emergent technology, even Europe is becoming irrelevant, and India got a rude shock that it was only 'relevant' at the West's indulgence.

Muslim countries issue is we have those who are in Usa Israeli camp, then those who are in Russian camp and some in China camp, we also have some neutral countries, most muslim countries are too weak to have a voice. How can Muslims develop an alliance with so many differences. The best possible alliance i saw was Pakistan Afghanistan Iran Turkey Azerbaijan and Qatar, but we know some Muslim countries will never allow this, similar to what we witnessed during Malaysian summit. GCC Arabs already have an alliance, with Usa and Israel.

 

[ety]

Not sure what you were reading.

There was no deal with Turkey. Trump made a deal with Putin. US would let Russia have Ukraine if Russia gave up Syria and Iran to US/Israel.

Actually, I think Trump was speaking publicly that he needs Putin's help to deal with Iran problem before he took office and vowed to help Putin end the Ukraine war.

 

[OldTwilight]

@Persian Gulf

please close the thread.

 

[Developereo]

Muslim countries issue is we have those who are in Usa Israeli camp, then those who are in Russian camp and some in China camp, we also have some neutral countries, most muslim countries are too weak to have a voice. How can Muslims develop an alliance with so many differences. The best possible alliance i saw was Pakistan Afghanistan Iran Turkey Azerbaijan and Qatar, but we know some Muslim countries will never allow this, similar to what we witnessed during Malaysian summit. GCC Arabs already have an alliance, with Usa and Israel.

These alliances are by the rulers. If you ask the people throughout the Muslim world, they would favor a unified Muslim stance because Muslims keep getting killed by the millions.

That is why I mentioned a single strong Muslim country. In this age of social media, the sycophantic visionless Muslim rulers would be humbled and shamed in front of their own public if there was a strong Muslim country that could stand up for Muslim rights.

Imran Khan tried to do that but Pakistan does not have the economic and military strength to match his rhetoric. Neither do we have the technological base to run in the global race, and Imran Khan's government turned out to be just as incompetent and corrupt as his predecessors'.

China has gone beyond the call of friendship to help us out but nobody can help someone until they want to help themselves.