Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

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this thing is literally 'off the rails'!

 

[mangekyo]

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this thing is literally 'off the rails'!

I have seen the aftermath video. There’s a gigantic crater where the cars are now.

 

[ShapurII]

it clearly is a political decision... they got very close in 2003 then a political decision was made to go no further

Yes, and I guess we will never know why. It's clear why this decision was made in 2003 when Bush wrote a letter and directly threatened Iran with an invasion, but why was it never changed later? Why didn't the Islamic Republic bank on the opportunity when Sleepy Joe was the president?

Who gave the order not to produce nuclear weapons?

Putin, probably.

 

[OldTwilight]

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[FUB]

Shut the F..K up already .
"Our policy has not changed on enrichment,"Takht-Ravanchi crucially added. "Iran has every right to do enrichment within its territory. The only thing that we have to observe is not to go for militarization."

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[ShapurII]

"Our policy has not changed on enrichment,"Takht-Ravanchi crucially added. "Iran has every right to do enrichment within its territory. The only thing that we have to observe is not to go for militarization."

That's the only part that matters. Other than militarization, enrichment is absolutely useless for Iran. Iran has never had a commercial nuclear program, not even before it was flattened by the US.

In fact, a commercial nuclear program requires a much larger nuclear capacity than a military program.

 

[OldTwilight]

Shut the F..K up already .
"Our policy has not changed on enrichment,"Takht-Ravanchi crucially added. "Iran has every right to do enrichment within its territory. The only thing that we have to observe is not to go for militarization."

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well, just look at this in this way, if we want make nuke, we should say: "we don't make nuke " and if we don't want to make nuke (or unable to make any) then we should say: "we don't make nuke"

honestly, we are in mess that even we don't know what our position is, lets alone the westerns

 

[FUB]

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[Persian Gulf]

Yes, and I guess we will never know why. It's clear why this decision was made in 2003 when Bush wrote a letter and directly threatened Iran with an invasion, but why was it never changed later? Why didn't the Islamic Republic bank on the opportunity when Sleepy Joe was the president?

2003 was the same year Iran delivered Bush the 'grand bargain' (which the US rejected)

I don't think pressure from the US was the main reason for the decision to stop. Most of that activity was not known at that time and only entered the public domain years later

IRI wanted to use HEU as leverage to force US to negotiate and thought they could improve their negotiating position by stockpiling more

but when they know you have no desire to make the decision to build the bomb, it is not very effective

 

[mangekyo]

Putin, probably.

The only thing Putin can offer him is an escape route like Assad. Do you think he banned us from getting nukes in exchange for a ticket to Russia if everything goes south? Khamenei is thinking:

“If I lift this fatwa now, I’m admitting I was wrong about everything. That my interpretation of Islam was flawed. That we wasted billions and got our scientists killed for nothing. The other clerics would rip me apart and my credibility would be finished. My whole legacy would look like stubborn pride. I’d rather go down as the guy who stood by his beliefs to the end. If the country has to burn to the ground for that, so be it.”

 

[FUB]

well, just look at this in this way, if we want make nuke, we should say: "we don't make nuke " and if we don't want to make nuke (or unable to make any) then we should say: "we don't make nuke"

honestly, we are in mess that even we don't know what our position is, lets alone the westerns

This A hole said we will only negotiate with US if they promise they will not attack us while negotiating. WTH! Who are these morons . Negotiate what ?

 

[FUB]

That's the only part that matters. Other than militarization, enrichment is absolutely useless for Iran. Iran has never had a commercial nuclear program, not even before it was flattened by the US.

In fact, a commercial nuclear program requires a much larger nuclear capacity than a military program.

Why? According to Fereydoon Abbasi , Iran can if the decision is made . Why do national heros have to die for an incompetent SL that can’t make a decision? The only option for an inferior military like Iran is the NK model . Bush did what DJT is doing to Iran . What happened? They are not f..king around here with NK.

 

[OldTwilight]

This A hole said we will only negotiate with US if they promise they will not attack us while negotiating. WTH! Who are these morons . Negotiate what ?

Just let them say what they want to say ... Our Foreign Ministery think their job is to negotiate in any situation ... loser mindset which they show even against Taliban

 

[ShapurII]

2003 was the same year Iran delivered Bush the 'grand bargain' (which the US rejected)

I don't think pressure from the US was the main reason for the decision to stop. Most of that activity was not known at that time and only entered the public domain years later

IRI wanted to use HEU as leverage to force US to negotiate and thought they could improve their negotiating position by stockpiling more

but when they know you have no desire to make the decision to build the bomb, it is not very effective

I don't think so. The MEK released a huge archive of files from Iran and exposed Natanz and Arak. The PMD case escalated from there. Not only that, the Khatami administration started negotiations with the Europeans by Rohani, and accepted that Iran had worked on plutonium reprocessing which was a clear violation and helped the IAEA refer our case to the UN Security Council. The IAEA started to interview key nuclear scientists and engineers in Iran, including a Ukrainian nuclear-engineer called Vyacheslav Danilenko to discuss the knowledge it has shared with Iran about nano-diamonds. The hydrodynamics of nano diamonds can be used for controlling the convergence of explosion waves in an implosion device. So, they have known about our nuclear program for quite some time, long before Israel publicized the Emad project.

You cannot use something you don't have (a nuclear weapon) as a leverage to force someone to negotiate with you. This whole idea seems absolutely insane.

The only thing Putin can offer him is an escape route like Assad. Do you think he banned us from getting nukes in exchange for a ticket to Russia if everything goes south? Khamenei is thinking:

“If I lift this fatwa now, I’m admitting I was wrong about everything. That my interpretation of Islam was flawed. That we wasted billions and got our scientists killed for nothing. The other clerics would rip me apart and my credibility would be finished. My whole legacy would look like stubborn pride. I’d rather go down as the guy who stood by his beliefs to the end. If the country has to burn to the ground for that, so be it.”

I continue to believe that a certain faction of the Islamic Republic is controlled by Russia. Iran is a puppet state, as there's too much evidence to ignore.

I mean just look at the situation. We enrich 13,000 kg of uranium and then send it to Russia. We build hundreds of thousands of Shahed drones and then send it to Russia. Even now, we have offered to send our enriched 60% uranium to Russia before the negotiations even begin. Do you have an alternative explanation?
What has Russia done for us in return? They delivered S-300 to us 7 years late, after the Israeli air force had trained against it in Greece. They haven't delivered Su-35s to us. They voted 4 rounds of sanctions against us. They didn't support us in any way during the conflict with Israel and even said Israel was an "almost-Russian" state.

 

[Persian Gulf]

I don't think so. The MEK released a huge archive of files from Iran and exposed Natanz and Arak. The PMD case started from there. Not only that, the Khatami administration started negotiations with the Europeans by Rohani, and accepted that Iran had worked on plutonium reprocessing. Then the IAEA started to interview key nuclear scientists and engineers in Iran, including a Ukrainian nuclear-engineer called Vyacheslav Danilenko to discuss the knowledge it has shared with Iran about nano-diamonds. The hydrodynamics of nano diamonds can be used for controlling the convergence of explosion waves in an implosion device.

they exposed Natanz in 2002 but Natanz wasn't connected to the pre-2003 weaponisation activities (except to the extent that they needed enriched uranium to complete weaponisation). only in 2009 did the West learn that Iran had conducted research on two point implosion devices

You cannot use something you don't have (a weapon) as a leverage to force someone to negotiate with you. This whole idea seems absolutely insane.

I continue to believe that a certain faction of the Islamic Republic is controlled by Russia. Iran is a puppet state, as there's too much evidence to ignore.

the idea is to accumulate so much 60% HEU that they have to negotiate with us to make a new deal for fear we will quickly build a bomb

obviously it didn't work well

and I don't agree with you about Russia. they are a bad ally but that doesn't mean we are their puppet. neither east nor west is genuine for the leaders