Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[FUB]

If you multiply that 5X or 10 X you get the real picture

Iran struck five Israeli military bases during 12-day war

Strikes shown by radar data not made public due to IDF’s strict censorship

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[mangekyo]

Our society and culture is too decadent to survive in the modern world. China had a century of humiliation, we are now in our third century. If Iranian society cannot reform into something more militant and strong soon, it will be erased. The future the whites and jews have lead us to will be dark and violent, like the past but without notions of honor or warrior codes.

We’ve been stuck in this pattern for a couple of centuries now. If it hadn’t been for exceptional leaders like Shah Ismail, Nader Shah, Agha Mohammad Khan, or Reza Shah who each emerged just when recovery seemed impossible, there wouldn’t even be an Iran today. We’re in desperate need of someone like that to step up and lead us. The only person capable that IRI has produced that I can think of is Soleimani, but he’s no longer with us.

 

[BigMela2onin]

Pahlavi got morally destroyed by the 13 day war and backfired on him in a dramatic way, he's gone, no need to put a prize on his head, he won't be a threat for a very long time

The Pahlavi line should be wiped out entirely. Such a treason can never be forgiven. Since it is acceptable to kill the families of targets now, his family should be wiped out as well. We can even take out his wife's yoga instructor as an extra.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

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[OldTwilight]

I wish he would interview Araghchi instead of this guy.

Araghchi is a level above him , he thinks he still is parliament member

 

[Kyussis]

I really wonder if Israel really thought Iran would surrender and collapse on day 3 or is it just Salami-like propaganda

If it's true then they paid billions in propaganda over 40 years for nothing, not even one uprising or protest during the 13 days

And over 40 years not more than 20K rioters at its peak (for 90 million people)

I think the fact that they naming their operation "Rising Lion" is the best indication that that was exactly what they where banking on!

 

[ShapurII]

let me say one thing , he was a tool that outlived his usefulness

let ask you one think who wast the person that Moosavi had friction with him the most when he was prime minister ?
why suddenly the post of prime minister disappeared?

Unfortunately, that's been the mentality of the Islamic Republic for decades and you worded it perfectly.
Popular figures like Khatami and Ahmadinejad that enjoyed the support of millions of Iranians were first insulted, their public images were distorted and destroyed, and then were thrown away like tools that outlived their usefulness. The regime, probably one group of people, has always been afraid of letting popular public figures stay in power.

In a system like this where you are thrown away like a used toilet paper, is it surprising that so many people want to establish contact with foreigners?

Khamenei, he even went to Khomeini to oust Mousavi but I don't get the relevance. What are you implying?

 

[kastor ville]

Ahmadinejad was the Trump of Iran. They didn't like him because they couldn't control him and make him play their stupid game of Khamenei vs. Rafsanjani (and recently, Khamenei vs. Rohani) where the only thing that gets screwed along the way is Iran's national interests.

When you put dumb people in charge...stuff happens.
Look at the first Gulf war....it was disastrous for the US, who pushed them into it? The Neo-Cons....who are the New-Cons? Jewish globalists....Trotskyites. They saw the opportunity with Bush Jr....he was dumb and they used him for Iraq and Afghnistan.
Now, Trump....another dumb SOB, they did the same thing.....they railroaded him into almost another war in the ME. When you have smart people in charge, this stuff doesn't happen, or the mistakes are much smaller in scale. The US lost 11 Trillion Dollars in the ME wars. 5000 soldiers died, 30,000 maimed or handicapped for life. That's not a small number, not even for the US. Forget the people, the 11 trillion is a king's ransom to lose and not change anything in the ME....the Taliban are back and Iraq is not yet secure, even after decades...this is what a big scale failure looks like.
Same thing with Iran......there is always one step forward, two steps back....why? Dumb, old and badly educated people in charge.

 

[kastor ville]

Cats out of the bag. They will go for full balkanization. There’s no way back. Going nuclear buys IRI some more time, but there’s nothing they can do in the long run.

Nuclear or non nuclear, they will keep hitting us with sanctions and turn us into North Korea. They will drop bombs on us from time to time. Once people have had enough, they will demand regime change.

You just mapped out their plan for the future of Iran......now start thinking of ways to stop it.
They want to turn us into Syria, not N. Korea.....N. Korea is still a functioning state. Syria will be a failed state for decades to come.
Iran will be a huge failed state.....they will try to break us up into at least 3 pieces. Baloch, Kurds and Arab partitions. We need to stop this from happening, we cannot give them the choice to break up the oldest country in the history of the world.....(yes, the oldest, look it up).

 

[ShapurII]

When you put dumb people in charge...stuff happens.
Look at the first Gulf war....it was disastrous for the US, who pushed them into it? The Neo-Cons....who are the New-Cons? Jewish globalists....Trotskyites. They saw the opportunity with Bush Jr....he was dumb and they used him for Iraq and Afghnistan.
Now, Trump....another dumb SOB, they did the same thing.....they railroaded him into almost another war in the ME. When you have smart people in charge, this stuff doesn't happen, or the mistakes are much smaller in scale. The US lost 11 Trillion Dollars in the ME wars. 5000 soldiers died, 30,000 maimed or handicapped for life. That's not a small number, not even for the US. Forget the people, the 11 trillion is a king's ransom to lose and not change anything in the ME....the Taliban are back and Iraq is not yet secure, even after decades...this is what a big scale failure looks like.
Same thing with Iran......there is always one step forward, two steps back....why? Dumb, old and badly educated people in charge.

Unfortunately, the main difference is that the US system of governance has self-correcting mechanisms as it has some democratic elements in it. Sure, the presidential election is manipulated behind the scene by zillionaires, but at least there's some sort of mechanism for setting things right.

The IR, on the other hand, is a closed system where people's opinions don't mean shit to the establishment. Remember how Iranians opposed nuclear weapons and preferred to trade with the world? They insisted on a token, useless nuclear program until we reached this point. Now that nearly all Iranians want the bomb, they want to give the whole thing away and repeat "we do not want nuclear weapons". The regime almost always moves in the opposite direction of Iran's national interests and what people want.

 

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[kastor ville]

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I know....you guys think this is weak.....no! This is smart....let's play nice with our enemies, let them think we are not a threat....and then use a page out of the Israeli playbook, and hit them with plausible deniability.
Another thing, Iran needed the ceasefire, as much as anyone....if the war had escalated it may have drawn in the US in, full on, then what? We did the smart thing....we are not ready for a full scale war against both the US and Israel.
We need this time to quickly rebuild.....to win, is to drag out the war and outlast the enemy's will to fight.

 

[tsunset]

You just mapped out their plan for the future of Iran......now start thinking of ways to stop it.
They want to turn us into Syria, not N. Korea.....N. Korea is still a functioning state. Syria will be a failed state for decades to come.
Iran will be a huge failed state.....they will try to break us up into at least 3 pieces. Baloch, Kurds and Arab partitions. We need to stop this from happening, we cannot give them the choice to break up the oldest country in the history of the world.....(yes, the oldest, look it up).

Iran survived the mongols, it will certainly not be collapsed by Israel. People are united

 

[kastor ville]

each side only wants to blame the other side for the problems and doesn't take accountability

in reality they are both responsible

You are correct brother....but if we point out the failures, at least it might be talked about.....you know one of the most important thing a fortune 500 company does when something goes wrong is?
They launch an investigation....they want to know the root cause and then an action plan to fix it and prevent it from reoccurring. This mindset can be used in a govt and an army too. When we enact a very big change in the processes of a company, we do a pilot program, a trail to see how it works, and then go out into the field and talk with the managers and front line people for feedback....then come back and fine tune things, then go back out in the field and ask for another feedback......it never stops, we're constantly retuning....perfecting the system. Why do I bring this up? Remember the Ukrainian flight that was shot down in Tehran? Our civilian airspace was not closed after that Iraq base missile barrage.....? WOW! This is like waking up in the morning and going to work and forgetting to put on your pants! This showed me a level of disorganization that's on par with militias...not a world class fighting force.

PS: I don't care which party is in charge....I just want intelligent and efficient, capable people in charge. Iranians are unique, hard working, smart people, with a great moral center......that's not very common, we need the best of us, leading us.