Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Watandar]

They won't.

US has threatened them with sanctions if they decide to attack again. Also they they now understand Pakistan is a very sophisticated and superior military opponent compounded with logistical support from China.

This war was very important. It will mark the rise of Pakistan as a regional military power.

O bhai sahab char din ki choti moti larai jeeti hai. Bharatiyon kee taran aasmano mai ulhnay na lagain.

 

[FuturePAF]

Considering Iran-US relations, it is surprising that Iran was still dependent on GPS. They should have moved to Glonass, Galileo or Beidou long back.

The possibility of losing GNSS based services getting disrupted would exist even with Beidou. Beidou works on similar principles as GPS, Galileo and Glonass. It shouldn’t be very difficult to jam or spoof.

Considering the links between Europe and the US, as well as Russia and Israel, it would have been best for them to Just go straight to the Chinese system only. Reduce the chances that have to account for multiple frequencies as well.

 

[Oscar]

real soldiers don't sound like Bollywood/ Hollywood Heroes. what is being said is important. it is unfair of the Indian military to put the blame of its failure on Modi Government, it was the job of Indian military to have the foresight and wargame how Pakistan will possibly respond and prepare accordingly. Modi and Godi media was not going to formulate the tactics for it.

They’ve been cultivating a “yes man” culture for the past ten years where loyalty to BJP vision and politics is more important than loyalty to India. In some ways creating a “CCP” model internally.

Pakistan is perhaps 20% less than that in terms of “yes men” - probably keeping it safe from the lopsided equation so far.

So far

 

[Meengla]

But, the parties involved, make their plans based on the known factors. China actively joining hands with Pakistan is as alarming as it can get. A country like China, providing open support can’t be treated lightly and a matter of grave concern for India.
This time it was most probably ISR support, but didn't that matter the most on the first day. Next time it could go one step further. Why next time, it could have happened this time itself, had things escalated.

What you posted above makes India's situation more than 'alarming'; it is dire in case of a future war. Just like plenty of Americans are cursing the Biden admin for bringing Russia and China together, the Modi admin has made Pakistan and China to embrace each other so openly. The old PDF from 10+ years ago was full of Indians saying things like China would only do some lip service to Pakistan and nothing more than due to India's huge trade with China which benefited China. A big miscalculation by the Modi regime, undoing decades of hard won diplomatic gains of the last 5+ decades prior to Modi.

But, there are multiple posts and even a thread, created to twist and misinterpret his comments, as an admission of defeat. Nothing but a lie and propaganda.

Pakistan didn't 'win' as such. But a country with much limited resources denying the adversary the stated strategic goals and coming to a standstill is a 'victory' in its own way. Pakistanis know they lost in 1971 on the eastern front and they never deny that. It was against insurmountable odds but it was still a military defeat. But objectively speaking, the only thing India can claim is that India's deep pockets enabled its most potent arsenal the Brahmos to successfully strike Pakistan in multiple places. And Pakistan was gearing up to implement its own more powerful missiles before the Big Boys of the world realized what would that mean and stepped in. India didn't 'win' at all on May 10, 2025.

 

[flyingorca]

Stupid general? Why? That’s a common discourse in a large number of your brethren. Anyone you disagree with, becomes an idiot, clown or a fool. Grow up to disagree with dignity.

He is not blaming anything or anyone but bringing out the facts. Those facts that India would need to consider for all future conflicts.

In fact it is a rather laughable to claim his comments as “complaining “. What do you expect him to say - Bravo, great thing that China actively got involved and provided active support as the conflict was going on. How else he is supposed to bring put these facts? Please learn to differentiate between complaining and stating facts.

Israel has been just supplying India with equipment just like US has given you F-16s or China supplied J10s or PL-15. China went a step ahead during this conflict. There has been enough talk about that on this forum.

Was it wrong? No. Everything is fair in a war.

I am proud of the Indian General to state facts, knowing fully well, that propaganda mongers would twist and turn his statements to create a narrative, which is what is happening here.

I remeber Indians used to laugh at Pakistanis 10 years back when they used to say China would help Pakistan during Pakindo conflict.

 

[Abdul q]

I remeber Indians used to laugh at Pakistanis 10 years back when they used to say China would help Pakistan during Pakindo conflict.

there were a few saying otherwise.. telling us that China cant risk the trade with superpower india and india will suspend trade and China will come back to senses…. so they would never help Pakistan… them and their delusions…

 

[Vkdindian1]

A big miscalculation by the Modi regime, undoing decades of hard won diplomatic gains of the last 5+ decades prior to Modi.

There had been no diplomatic gains with China before Modi. He was the one who made some progress and that ended with Galwan. Indiaochina trade is heavily tilted in favour of China and they know that India would keep importing no matter what. After all the dependence is too much. Rare earth materials is just one example. There are many more.

China providing active support during a conflict was always a possibility. India has been talking of a two front war which didn’t mean full fledged two front situation but a similar one as this.
But the extent of such a support was always an unknown factor.
7th May gave a glimpse of that two front situation.

The assumption that, this factor would prevent a future conflict is a little doubtful. After all the nuclear umbrella was a big threat but didn’t prevent India from launching those strikes.
The next one is likely to be started by factoring in these aspects, which would make it closer to a possibility of a wider escalation. A serious situation.
Why launch it then? A good question to which a keyboard warrior like me has no answer.

India's deep pockets enabled its most potent arsenal the Brahmos to successfully strike Pakistan in multiple places. And Pakistan was gearing up to implement its own more powerful missiles before the Big Boys of the world realized what would that mean and stepped in. India didn't 'win' at all on May 10, 2025.

Usage of Brahmos by India was a clear indication to be ready to go up the escalation ladder after seeing the Chinese involvement. Had a similar strike been launched from the other side, I assume, there was no stopping then.

I am still not inclined to consider this conflict in terms of a win/loose situation. It was a precursor to a wider and bigger conflict right around the corner. The Indian planners know fully well, that Pakistan establishment would never ever give up on their support towards Kashmir cause. This one was probably to show that we tried to warn but they didn’t listen.

That would be the one, where a winner or a looser could come out. Scary situation for this little world.

 

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With bigger numbers of AWACS, PAF was always ahead of the curve. PAF had also proven to be better in EW, while IAF always seems to be playing the catchup game on these fields.
In a limited conflict PAF would always pose a formidable challenge. A wider conflict with involvement of wider array of systems could be different.

Both sides have learnt additional things after those 88 hrs and would be working to mitigate their weaknesses. Indian AD is quite ahead of Pak one and they would need to just plug holes specific to few weapon types, while expanding the coverage of the existing ones.

 

[Meengla]

There had been no diplomatic gains with China before Modi. He was the one who made some progress and that ended with Galwan. Indiaochina trade is heavily tilted in favour of China and they know that India would keep importing no matter what. After all the dependence is too much. Rare earth materials is just one example. There are many more.

Bolded part. I disagree. Indians were very smart in foreign policy wrt China before Modi. From the 1962 war with China till Modi's arrival in mid 2010s, Indians were smart enough to know that China was an insurmountable obstacle, not worthy of surmounting the least because from Bill Clinton first time all the huggies and kisses.

China providing active support during a conflict was always a possibility. India has been talking of a two front war which didn’t mean full fledged two front situation but a similar one as this.
But the extent of such a support was always an unknown factor.
7th May gave a glimpse of that two front situation.

Bolded part. When the Indians and Chinese soldiers died fighting each other in last few years, it would not be an 'unknown factor'. It might a predictable factor, something like that Pravin Swaheny had warned about many times in the last few years.

The assumption that, this factor would prevent a future conflict is a little doubtful. After all the nuclear umbrella was a big threat but didn’t prevent India from launching those strikes.
The next one is likely to be started by factoring in these aspects, which would make it closer to a possibility of a wider escalation. A serious situation.
Why launch it then? A good question to which a keyboard warrior like me has no answer.

Good question, indeed.
And I tend to think Indians are not cowered by the Pakistani nukes as long as India can ensure that Pakistan's very survival is not at stake. India didn't waste a second after the 2019 skirmish or during the May 2025 skirmish to clearly convey to Pakistan to not escalate. Indians and Pakistanis are not hotblooded Middle Eastern potentates and know what could happen when nukes become a possibility.

I am still not inclined to consider this conflict in terms of a win/loose situation. It was a precursor to a wider and bigger conflict right around the corner. The Indian planners know fully well, that Pakistan establishment would never ever give up on their support towards Kashmir cause. This one was probably to show that we tried to warn but they didn’t listen.
That would be the one, where a winner or a looser could come out. Scary situation for this little world.

Maybe Pakistan was willing to compromise along the Musharraf-Manmohan lines, for that Musharraf faced at least two suicide bombers tied with the Kashmiris. But since Modi came to power, there is less appetite in Pakistan for even what Musharraf's concessions. What if this is really a civilizational war?? What if India is truly emulating Netanyahu's way to conduct foreign policy??

 

[Metal 0-1]

Someone purchased satellite image of IAF Base Adampur from 10/11th May morning and made it viral on twitter.

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He got it from this American geoint website for $140.

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140$? Dude got swindled lol. Should have bought Chinese Mizar Vision sat imagery

 

[Vkdindian1]

I remeber Indians used to laugh at Pakistanis 10 years back when they used to say China would help Pakistan during Pakindo conflict.

There are such people on both the sides. Premature celebrations and verdicts are given by many from both sides.

China factor was always in play in this theatre. Its extent and dynamics weren’t clear to me at least. I don’t know if the Indian planners were aware of it. Even if they were aware, they definitely weren’t aware of the range of PL-15, that lead to surprise they got on 7th May.

It is not an unknown anymore, even for keyboard warriors on these pages.

 

[flyingorca]

There are such people on both the sides. Premature celebrations and verdicts are given by many from both sides.

China factor was always in play in this theatre. Its extent and dynamics weren’t clear to me at least. I don’t know if the Indian planners were aware of it. Even if they were aware, they definitely weren’t aware of the range of PL-15, that lead to surprise they got on 7th May.

It is not an unknown anymore, even for keyboard warriors on these pages.

The reason why Indians used to laugh because they would lable every Chinese weapon as junk.
Hopefully India got a reality check.

 

[flyingorca]

Imagine if LCA Tejas also participated in op tandoor.
The score would have been...
3 Rafaels
1 Su30
1 Mirage2000
1 Mig29
1 LCA

 

[Vkdindian1]

China till Modi's arrival in mid 2010s

Number of times Modi met Xi was more than any other Indian leader ever. Modi was expecting to develop a personal rapport with him and use that to find the path ahead.
It didn’t work out as envisaged.

Pravin Swaheny had warned about many times in the last few years.

Swahney has an issue. When an analyst always declares everything one wrong then pu can’t take him seriously.If his word is taken seriously then India should have already surrendered to China. He talks and talks and talks giving high flying fundas that can be implemented. An architect who makes designs that can’t be implemented by the engineers.
There are YouTube bloggers, dime a dozen and he is loved in Pakistan because he is always against BJP made policies.

But since Modi came to power, there is less appetite in Pakistan for even what Musharraf's concessions. What if this is really a civilizational war?? What if India is truly emulating Netanyahu's way to conduct foreign policy??

India isn’t going to accept any formula under the current regime. There are many unknowns and they all are more scary than the other.
India can’t and is unlikely to emulate the Israeli situation. The context as well as the adversaries are vastly different. These people are bold but not stupid. There is no emulation here.