India Lucky Not To Lose More Than Four Rafales

[Taimoor]

Pakistan should celebrate and show to the world. Pakistan quickly needs deterrence against India.

Indians in their stupidity had made nuclear deterrence a joke.
They were foolishly claiming that they have called Pakistan's nuclear bluff; they can attack deep inside nuclear Pakistan without any consequences. Pakistan needs to address this Indian stupidity quickly before they do something even more devastating for the region, like starting a nuclear war.

Anyone thinking against that possibility should wise up. According to SIPRI, in May Indians already struck Pakistani nuclear facilities.

TBH Indian own nuke status is a joke. Back in 1999 Pakistan moved in to Indian controlled territory and entire conflict was fought inside Indian claimed territory. Just certainly, Chinese man handled Indian army with spiked bats and kicked them out of large swath of territory India claimed.

Ofcourse India can do some silly stunts now and then, but the price is extracted properly.

 

[Metal 0-1]

I think Alan Warnes is in a much better position than us the armchair generals and has his reputation at stake to post this without confirmation.

Ofc Daddy Warnsey said it, must be true.

Never question anything got it

 

[Master Chief]

I think we were unlucky not to have shot down those other 4. Sometimes you have to make your own luck.

If the claim is true, that we had total dominance, and we didn't take advantage, it's criminal, treacherous even. If we genuinely had grounded their entire airforce and did not take advantage of that to liberate Kashmir or to decimate their armed forces - we lost this war not them.

Actually, you are correct. I cannot interpret this any other way.

It seems like a victory, and it was in a sense, but if the opportunity was there to crucify them once and for all and we didn't take it, shame on us. Such an opportunity will not present itself again.

"Restraint" is a treasonous word.

Not criticising the PAF here. Clearly, someone high up in civilian command told them to show "restraint".

That aside, one point to make here is that we should go public about the death of Shivangi, so the misogynist nation to our east learns its harshest lesson.

Using military women explicitly for propaganda purposes to then target and kill innocent civilian women is a disgusting aberration of all civilised norms.

We know it is all drama for propaganda and nothing else because the same people who salivated over this Bollywood narrative are the ones who abuse Sophia Qureishi openly.

All of the "Sindoor" bollywood narratives should be completely dismantled publicly by Pakistan and indeed, any civilised third parties who are interested.

 

[Metal 0-1]

"Restraint" is a treasonous word.

Amen! Go big or go home, enemy ain't show you an ounce of mercy or restraint.

 

[Yasser76]

Ofc Daddy Warnsey said it, must be true.

Never question anything got it

Easy, you seem to have a grudge or be upset, we just said he has a lot of credibility, which he does.

 

[Windjammer]

Ofc Daddy Warnsey said it, must be true.

Never question anything got it

The material and info he has on PAF ( little shared) is enough to put a lid on any keyboard warrior.

 

[Master Chief]

The problem about these claims is that it's idiotic just increase your claims of downed aircraft months after the battle took place and especially not without evidence and without admission from the other side, it's just hurts the PAF's credibility nothing else.

Completely wrong.

There are ample reasons for UNDERSTATING total kills, not least diplomatic ones.

I am amazed at the naivety of so many posters today.

It is entirely logical to initially understate kills to allow room for one's enemy to manoeuvre diplomatically if they want a ceasefire. Remember, there was a 300km exclusion zone after the kills, ostensibly because the IAF were grounded. I think we can be assured that India had few military options left after air dominance was attained by PAF, and Brahmos saturation was one of them (remember, their Navy bugged out also).

PAF's credibility is categorically not harmed by slowly revealing additional kills.

Now, that aside, the decision to give India a ceasefire is a political one, and that is a different matter that requires its own scrutinisation. Likewise, any political instruction to "show restraint" requires independent scrutiny.

 

[Mr X]

Pakistan’s official stance was 5 jets + 1 UAV. After 2 or 3 days they changed it to 6 jets + 1 UAV.

The overall number hasn’t changed since then as it remains 6 jets but their speculation about the variant has changed from time to time. It started with 1x Rafale to 3 and now 4… the reason being the adversary not revealing anything with the logic of “Numbers are not important/grapes are sour”.

But I think it was 1x Rafale and Mirage 2000 and minimum of 2 Russian jets.

 

[Metal 0-1]

I have started to think some of you have Warnes as last name

 

[NA71]

It's a bit ridiculous when you were claiming 3 Rafales to suddenly adding a another 2 months later.

yes....Inshallah at end of this year it will be around 12 ...

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Master Chief

Clearly, someone high up in civilian command told them to show "restraint".

You seriously want us toe believe that the civilian command has any locus standi in anything that is related to Pak security? If you do, I have a white monument in Agra which I can sell you.

I think we can be assured that India had few military options left after air dominance was attained by PAF, and Brahmos saturation was one of them (remember, their Navy bugged out also).

If that was the case, then shouldn't you have marched onto Srinagar at least, if not the Red Fort?

Regards

 

[Yasser76]

Pakistan’s official stance was 5 jets + 1 UAV. After 2 or 3 days they changed it to 6 jets + 1 UAV.

The overall number hasn’t changed since then as it remains 6 jets but their speculation about the variant has changed from time to time. It started with 1x Rafale to 3 and now 4… the reason being the adversary not revealing anything with the logic of “Numbers are not important/grapes are sour”.

But I think it was 1x Rafale and Mirage 2000 and minimum of 2 Russian jets.

Yeah, i was thinking 4 two, along similair lines (Rafale, MK2, MIG-29, SU-30).

3 moire Rafales would make it 7 kills. CAS and PAF need to explain that. I suspect the ceremony for the awards coming up and the latest edition of AFM may be concurrent and we may see some new evidence.

 

[Yasser76]

I have started to think some of you have Warnes as last name

Started to think your last name is Patel, what of it?

 

[Mr X]

Yeah, i was thinking 4 two, along similair lines (Rafale, MK2, MIG-29, SU-30).

3 moire Rafales would make it 7 kills. CAS and PAF need to explain that. I suspect the ceremony for the awards coming up and the latest edition of AFM may be concurrent and we may see some new evidence.

When they increase the number of Rafales, it means the same incident involved a different variant of the jet. The actual number stands at 6… and increase in this number will damage the credibility in my opinion and shouldn’t exaggerate

 

[Yasser76]

When they increase the number of Rafales, it means the same incident involved a different variant of the jet. The actually number stands at 6… and increase in this number will damage the credibility in my opinion and shouldn’t exaggerate

So could be 4 Rafales, 1 SU-30, 1 Mirage 2000?