Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Cash gk]

Why didn’t they do it? Have you ever thought of that?
You mean to say that the same PAF, that outmanoeuvred IAF on day one by excellent planning and training, didn’t know this simple fact, while forum experts have all this know how and knowledge?

PAF didn’t do it because there were constraints on them and they knew exactly what could go wrong of they tried to do what you are claiming here.
Give some credit to PAF for deciding against trying to bomb Indian assets, because there was a threat to them.

Unlike keyboard warriors who would have bombed India into oblivion, the experts were not daydreaming but taking informed decisions.

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The Indian fighter pilot Shywangi is still missing there has been no trace of her so far. She disappeared after her jet was destroyed during the war between Pakistan and India, and no information about her has surfaced since. She was disappeared on 10th May when Indian tried to fly again, Raphael.

 

[side-winder]

But there is a middle ground that should be explored - pilotless drones as replacements for parts of a piloted air force.

This would be cheaper and more lethal than a traditional manned air force.

I believe that we should invest full tilt into this pathway. Disclaimer: I'm not an expert so feel free to correct me.

The future would be very much like that i believe. All about AI supported pilotless platforms. Ground controllers if required. But slowly -- gradually-- with time as the world evolves. You can't wake up on a random day and go full tilt into a different direction.

 

[Vkdindian1]

There is no "edge" to be gained in a 100 hour air strike and missile exchange unless our military inferiority was at a level the enemy could successfully exploit to achieve its geo-strategic objectives.

Our objectives:

• Resisting aggression and imposing costs on an aggressor
• Preventing loss of territory or any alteration to our positions on the Line of Control.
• Preventing a blockade of our commercial sea routes and the port of Karachi
• Controlling our air space with Air Denial and blocking enemy military and commercial aircraft from operating in our airspace
• Limiting and absorbing the damage by the enemy to our military and civilian infrastructure, without escalation to the point of invoking the nuclear doctrine.
• Prevent the aggressor's conventional military superiority and advantage from forcing us into an existential struggle and resorting to unconventional weapons use.
• Involving a third party to force a negotiated unconditional ceasefire on the aggressor, who would otherwise use the conventional imbalance to escalate the war to the use of nuclear weapons.
• Post ceasefire: Enhance the exchange of information and assess weapons performance with our strategic partners and rectify shortcomings. Deepen the alliance and military cooperation with allies in the region ( China, Bangladesh, Turkey)
• Post-ceasefire: Diplomatically re-hyphenate our position in the geo-strategic context and internationalize the "root cause of the conflict" which is the dispute over Kashmir.
• Post ceasefire: Deter the enemy from repeating the act of aggression under the pretext of the "new normal "

CONCLUSION:

1. Our actions were defensive and successful despite the enemy's military superiority.
2. Our planned objectives (as above) anticipated for exactly such a conflict in were ALL achieved.

Now for the "new normal " next round.

All these would have been achieved without firing a single Fatah, artillery shells or CM400s.
Action on the 7th May, was the highest point for your side and the lowest for Indian.
As soon as your fighters landed back and it became clear that IAF had lost few fighters, Pakistan should have openly declared a one sided ceasefire, unless, India made anymore moves. This would have kept the doors open for further action if provoked and put India in a bind. India would have been under tremendous pressure to not make any more moves.
BUT, your establishment had to show that they could inflict damage to India and decided against it. Were they able to inflict that damage? A lot of people are waiting (not fanboys) for some proof. All satellites have suddenly been disabled and poor ISPR isn’t able to lay hands even on a grainy picture of Indian bases. Hilarious part is that kids are even ready to buy this story.

It was nice effort by you to write a long paragraph and declare success on all fronts, but it wasn’t so.

Whatever, Munir had thought to achieve after 7th May hasn’t been seen by anyone except the big brigade of fanboys.

He did get one extra star. Probably, that was his plan all along.

 

[TAC]

All these would have been achieved without firing a single Fatah, artillery shells or CM400s.
Action on the 7th May, was the highest point for your side and the lowest for Indian.
As soon as your fighters landed back and it became clear that IAF had lost few fighters, Pakistan should have openly declared a one sided ceasefire, unless, India made anymore moves. This would have kept the doors open for further action if provoked and put India in a bind. India would have been under tremendous pressure to not make any more moves.
BUT, your establishment had to show that they could inflict damage to India and decided against it. Were they able to inflict that damage? A lot of people are waiting (not fanboys) for some proof. All satellites have suddenly been disabled and poor ISPR isn’t able to lay hands even on a grainy picture of Indian bases. Hilarious part is that kids are even ready to buy this story.

It was nice effort by you to write a long paragraph and declare success on all fronts, but it wasn’t so.

Whatever, Munir had thought to achieve after 7th May hasn’t been seen by anyone except the big brigade of fanboys.

He did get one extra star. Probably, that was his plan all along.

You are simply in still bad pain about the humiliation ‘mighty’ India got handed by a country a fraction of its size and is well understood all round the world. You’ve been told many times before, the most important part of this conflict was the 7th where false Bollywood bravado India got slapped stupid and brought down to earth along with so much top of the line IAF hardware. Everything India did after that was desperate efforts to salvage some pathetic level of dignity. After much patience When Pakistan eventually responded with its own missile attacks, Indian spokesperson came on tv within a few hours acknowledging damages as a result of those attacks and asking for deescalation. There was no significant damage in Pakistan but with help of Godi media and compliant public like u, it’s probably enough to avoid the end of Modi’s politics, that’s all. Learn to Live with the reality of what happened and cope better.

 

[Falcon26]

Its not a dick measuring contest, we don't need to prove anything to anyone. If they won why are they making so much noise? The world knows they ran to USA to stop Pakistan from kicking their ass. Just a day earlier, US VP had stated its not our war, they can handle it themselves. They would not have intervened if India had the upper hand.

If you don’t have to prove anything to anyone, then quit claiming to have destroyed anything.

 

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@Irfan Baloch

 

[Baibers_1260]

All these would have been achieved without firing a single Fatah, artillery shells or CM400s.

You don't decide our doctrine. We achieved our pre-determined objectives.
No nuclear escalation and third party involvement

On missiles:
Ok so we tested our missiles in real combat and learned "they don't work" We know where to improve.
Thank you India !
See you next time around in the "new normal "

 

[Vkdindian1]

Ok so we tested our missiles

While being bombed all over, you were testing your weapons?

Another cope attempt to hide failure and call your weapons being tested while they were failing and showing poor planning by PA.
If this is new normal, then it would be most unique new normal - make a claim of testing your weapons when they are failing.

 

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@Irfan Baloch

The world's only air force to deploy jammers within its own airspace—what a contrast!

 

[LX1111]

All these would have been achieved without firing a single Fatah, artillery shells or CM400s.
Action on the 7th May, was the highest point for your side and the lowest for Indian.
As soon as your fighters landed back and it became clear that IAF had lost few fighters, Pakistan should have openly declared a one sided ceasefire, unless, India made anymore moves. This would have kept the doors open for further action if provoked and put India in a bind. India would have been under tremendous pressure to not make any more moves.
BUT, your establishment had to show that they could inflict damage to India and decided against it. Were they able to inflict that damage? A lot of people are waiting (not fanboys) for some proof. All satellites have suddenly been disabled and poor ISPR isn’t able to lay hands even on a grainy picture of Indian bases. Hilarious part is that kids are even ready to buy this story.

It was nice effort by you to write a long paragraph and declare success on all fronts, but it wasn’t so.

Whatever, Munir had thought to achieve after 7th May hasn’t been seen by anyone except the big brigade of fanboys.

He did get one extra star. Probably, that was his plan all along.

There is no ceasefire after May 7th. Modi cannot accept a defeat in the air war. He must achieve some kind of victory to win over his voters.
BrahMos gives India some advantages. It is fast enough, the interception window is very short, and India's missile launch sites are deployed nearly 50 KM away from Pakistan.
It is no more than 200 KM from many Pakistani airports, and the flight time of Brahms is no more than 15 seconds.

 

[airhead]

I don’t think that's what he meant - He is denying the importance of air power at all - further elaborating with example of Iran.

You think AD systems are affordable? Well check again. And you want to cover entire Pakistan with AD batteries. That's billions and billions of dollars you're talking about. Most will be taken out by enemy before even being useom see what

I don’t think that's what he meant - He is denying the importance of air power at all - further elaborating with example of Iran.

You think AD systems are affordable? Well check again. And you want to cover entire Pakistan with AD batteries. That's billions and billions of dollars you're talking about. Most will be taken out by enemy before even being used.

Ok see what happened in the India Pakistan conflict. Indians stopped using their air force post may7 and by n large PAF stopped operating and were instead trying to hide expensive planes from brahmos. The only mission was of the lone jf17 with the ck 400 and even that was suicidal.(there is a picture of pilots writing final notes before embarking on this mission ) . So bottom line ‘em what this war revealed is the limitation of manned aircraft and the importance of hypersonic missiles and drones. We are definitely behind India in the misssiles dept amd need to catch up. Stop investing in more manned aircraft unless it is stealth otherwise utility is limited as the conflict showed

 

[Baibers_1260]

While being bombed all over, you were testing your weapons?

Another cope attempt to hide failure and call your weapons being tested while they were failing and showing poor planning by PA.
If this is new normal, then it would be most unique new normal - make a claim of testing your weapons when they are failing.

Didn't you test your figter jets when they were falling?
Your ignorance of battlefield equipment evaluation is profound.
We don't know a piece of equipment is failing until we test under real battle conditions
Haven't Ukraine, Russia, USA and UK tested their weapons in real time combat and seen them fail?.
Example: Challenger and Abrams tanks in Ukraine failed . Yet with field upgrades the surviving tanks continue to be used

New Normal:
Confused, if Sindoor has ended yet, So if this the new normal we are quite satisfied at the moment. If it's a different normal then let us know, We will be happy to respond. Eagerly looking forward to more testing of equipment on behalf of our Iron Brother China, Something else your Vice Chief of Army Staff would talk about.
Oh.. and thank you for the Chenab water, We are expecting a bumper harvest this year

 

[Vkdindian1]

Didn't you test your figter jets when they were falling?

It wasn’t a test. They failed.

We don't know a piece of equipment is failing until we test under real battle conditions

All weapons are tested during trials, to know their exact capabilities. All aspects - range, accuracy, survivability and destruction power.
During war you employ them based on those tested capabilities. The first failure for PA was to employ Fatah as the main weapon of choice.
Next - When you use a weapon and it doesn’t give the desired results (because of wrong planning), you change your plans and use those systems, that get you the desired results. PA failed there too.
Russia-Ukraine war had these aspects tried and tested every day. But you bring out only one, as a part of Cope.

India displayed that pivot by firing weapons that got them results with PROOF.

So you fail- you pivot and make the required changes - you get the desired results.

Now you know why and who failed after 7th May?

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

But there is a middle ground that should be explored - pilotless drones as replacements for parts of a piloted air force.

This would be cheaper and more lethal than a traditional manned air force.

I believe that we should invest full tilt into this pathway. Disclaimer: I'm not an expert so feel free to correct me.

You're right. According to Selchuk Bayrakrar, the maestro in unmanned aerial warfare gadgets, he can field 10 KEs for each F-35. It shows how cost effective KE is from the lifetime cost POV. Guess what? The European NATO countries have accepted his doctrine! So, he has purchased an Italuan aero giant Pigeo and having JVs with Leonardo....

The PAF knows the value of Baykar. They have procured Akinji, TB-2 etc. for a reason. KE should be the natural extension....

These AI driven systems are as good as the ML data intensive training sessions they go through. And, the PAF (with core strength in training and technology) has tons of intelligent data on how to undermine a 10x more wealthy arch enemy, whose religious redemption lies in Pakistan' s perdition......

 

[Baibers_1260]

All weapons are tested during trials, to know their exact capabilities. All aspects - range, accuracy, survivability and destruction power.
During war you employ them based on those tested capabilities.

Did you test the Rafale fighter jets, or go by the faith in the "lemons and chillies" your Defense Minister hung on the first aircraft accepted after trials ?

Funny your Vice Chief of Army staff ( who knows a tad more than you so far as testing is concerned) mentioned the India Pakistan conflict as a "Lab" for the Chinese to test their weapons. I am sure the Chinese will shortly be sending a thank you acknowledgment note to India for the opportunity.

Nest round please.
The Chinese have ordered extra popcorn. They have been laughing all the way to the bank.