PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

What do you think AZM and PFX were trying to accomplish? And what's the outcome of PFX-Alpha and later a 5th gen platform? These are based on JF-17 buddy.....

Now if I were to do it, I'd go the J-10C route and create a stealthy canard smaller brother of J-20. That seems economical, industry gets matured and we get top end capability both for 4.5 gen J-10C and 5th gen future version.

I would like to slightly differ. The future of increasing #of jets may belong to stealthy unmanned jet platforms like KE and ANKA-3 etc. which can automously operating at a fraction of manned platforms lifetime cost including constant training.....

 

[flyingorca]

For the time being, there are only photos of J-16s carrying these missiles. As for the J-10C, it may have to wait for a technology upgrade.

These missiles are too long to fit in the J-35 and J-20's magazines, but the 6G fighter's magazines should work. Of course, that is just a guess just out of the size of the 6G fighter.

Belly and fuel tank plyons should be used to carry long missiles.

 

[MH.Yang]

Belly and fuel tank plyons should be used to carry long missiles.

With advances in material science, it shouldn't be a problem for the J-10C to carry PL-17/21 in the future. But J-35 may need to sacrifice stealth capability when carrying it.

 

[PakAl]

You do realize that there are over 250 Mirages and F-7's needing URGENT retirement?

Just to clarify, paf has around 250 4th and 4.5th gen bvr fighter jets. Another 100 planes will be enough for replacement, 20 J10CEs, 25 Jf17s, 40 J35s will be enough. Until older Jf17s and F16s need replacing which will come after 2035s.

 

[MastanKhan]

I watched half the video and couldn't stand his bullshit. So I turned it off.

In China, most of these “experts” are known to the public and often appear in the media. The term “expert” here is a pejorative term. The real experts are usually not known by the public, let alone appearing in the media. I don't know what the situation is like in the Western world or in Pakistan, but it is like that in China.

The “Mr. Gao” in the video is such an “expert”. He is just an internet celebrity touted by some capital forces and some mysterious NGOs. He may know a lot about international politics, but he knows nothing about professional matters in the field of military defense.
He is very well versed in “network traffic codes”. He knows what to say to cause orgasms among ordinary people and the media. But if we knew a little more about military and defense expertise, we would know that what he says is shit.

Hi,

In the weapons and war world---Mr. Gao serves an extremely important purpose that works greatly to the advantage of pakistan---.

You know in our business---cars and truck sales---the promise that a salesman makes---mean nothing on the face---but when something goes wrong---the customer will hold our feet to the fire---and we will comply to their demands---.

So---as far as i am concerned---Mr. Gao is a spokesman for the chinese govt. unless the chinese govt denies it---.

I would say that the chinese govt is in a catch 22---

 

[MastanKhan]

Belly and fuel tank plyons should be used to carry long missiles.

Hi,

Fuel tank pylons on the 5th gen aircraft---?????

 

[StormBreaker]

Hi,

Look at it this way---if the J20 is a canard design stealth---then why do we need to invest in the J10---.

Basically a stealth J10 is known as a J20 for simplicity sake---.

Someone has already invested heavily

I know what you’re implying here MK. I had the same thoughts.

People who master the canards of 4.5th gen will move on to the 5th gen canards. The bird is receiving heavy upgrades.

I can bet on anything that we will see some of them in PAF colors, give 10-12 years.

 

[StormBreaker]

Hi,

Fuel tank pylons on the 5th gen aircraft---?????

J-20s have been spotted with EFTs in the past. 2x2 HPs in total

 

[MH.Yang]

Hi,

Fuel tank pylons on the 5th gen aircraft---?????

 

[flyingorca]

Hi,

Fuel tank pylons on the 5th gen aircraft---?????

Sir i was referring to J-10.

 

[flyingorca]

With advances in material science, it shouldn't be a problem for the J-10C to carry PL-17/21 in the future. But J-35 may need to sacrifice stealth capability when carrying it.

J35 and J10 combo would be a great choice for PAF. J35 flys deep and to acquire the target and J10 stays behind and fires PL17/21.

 

[RajaBaja]

Just to clarify, paf has around 250 4th and 4.5th gen bvr fighter jets. Another 100 planes will be enough for replacement, 20 J10CEs, 25 Jf17s, 40 J35s will be enough. Until older Jf17s and F16s need replacing which will come after 2035s.

4th gen is a tag line and so is 4.5 gen. In Indo-Pak war, this myth was also busted. What did we put in front of the IAF? Our 4th gen's or the 4th gens with top of the line PL-15 capability? I hope you can understand the point.

In a fight, when one has a longer range rifle, you don't semi long range rifles or pistols. You employ longer range weapons also and keep the short range for point defense.

Over 100 of our JFT's and 75 F-16's now come under this category. AMRAAM C-5 and SD-10A's don't do it and they've become second tier aircraft, can't fight with Meteors with near 180 KM range and a large NEZ. You can call these jets Gen 10, doesn't matter. I need the "long stick" "full system employment" not just the carrying platform like ACM Orangzaib referred to in his briefings.


Let's see now:
J-10C's: 25 total with PL-15
JF-17 block III: 30? with PL-15?
That's a total of: 55 planes with top capability with PL-15.

F-16's:75 with AIM-120 C5. Second tier.
JFT block I and II with SD-10A: 126 jets. Second tier
126 JFT block I and II's, they need urgent upgrades to AESA radars for PL-15 integration I believe. The rest of block III standard upgrades can happen gradually. But these must become PL-15 capable rather quickly. Before India can think of a round II.

Do the numbers now, per the war doctrine and to be effective against the enemy, we ONLY have 55 jets with PL-15's.

Hoping this number's increasing with AESA upgrades soon. JF-17 block I and II and F-16's don't really count as front fighters because Rafale and upgraded SU-30's will have almost 50-80 KM range advantage over them. You can add them in the equation when they get PL-15 and AIM-120D's (if we get them).

 

[RandomThoughts7]

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Hi, this is only the case in ferry flights and not combat scenarios.

Having an external fuel tank on a stealth aircraft is like ringing a bell advertising to everyone it's time for a free lunch....

 

[MH.Yang]

J35 and J10 combo would be a great choice for PAF. J35 flys deep and to acquire the target and J10 stays behind and fires PL17/21.

In the long run Pakistan actually needs F-15EX/J-16. at least J-11BS/Su-35S/Su-30SM. don't follow Iran and India's dependence on missiles, but the US and Israel.

 

[flyingorca]

In the long run Pakistan actually needs F-15EX/J-16. at least J-11BS/Su-35S/Su-30SM. don't follow Iran and India's dependence on missiles, but the US and Israel.

Only if Pakistan's economy was little better.