Z-10 ME/P deliveries Updates: Pakistan Army Aviation.

[Rebirth]

There's no point in trying to make sense of that MI-35 purchase,

Here's the timeline

Pakistan wants Vipers = doesn't happen

Pakistan trials other helicopters

Z-10 fails
ATAK wins

Pakistan wants to purchase ATAK's but is denied the export of engines while this is happening the Z-10ME is being worked on with recommendations from Pakistani trials, eventually Pakistan chooses Z-10ME

For COIN Ops Mi-35M customized with EW and armed drones will be good to have even in war with India it will be force multiplier.

Mi-35Ms can take troops in and out much safer & better then Mi-17s & AH-1 combo in IBOs as there will be protection with strike capability.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Induction will be revealed in next few weeks

I have literally seen "next few weeks" posts for Z-10MEs for more then 4 years. Once it has arrived, we will know. I had seen rumors for 90 J-10Cs by 2024, 40 J-35s in 2025 , 4 JCF by 2025 and what not.

Rumor making factories are going on non-stop. These people have no real information, they just want to entertain their followers, look below:



They have been telling that it arrived in 2020, 21, 22, 23, 24.... and next week and next week. So now if it really drops next week, then it won't make these rumor factories any truthful, as according to them it should have had arrived by 2020.

It actually works like this, that if PA has decided on a platform, then everyone start making expectations that maybe its coming next week or month, but fact is no one really knows the actual timeline. But everyone knows that at some point it will be delivered, so they want to be first to make a "guess" and break the news.

 

[MastanKhan]

I have literally seen "next few weeks" posts for Z-10MEs for more then 4 years. Once it has arrived, we will know. I had seen rumors for 90 J-10Cs by 2024, 40 J-35s in 2025 , 4 JCF by 2025 and what not.

Rumor making factories are going on non-stop. These people have no real information, they just want to entertain their followers, look below:

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They have been telling that it arrived in 2020, 21, 22, 23, 24.... and next week and next week. So now if it really drops next week, then it won't make these rumor factories any truthful, as according to them it should have had arrived by 2020.

It actually works like this, that if PA has decided on a platform, then everyone start making expectations that maybe its coming next week or month, but fact is no one really knows the actual timeline. But everyone knows that at some point it will be delivered, so they want to be first to make a "guess" and break the news.

Hi,

Welcome to the weapons world---. A lots of things happen between agreement and delivery date---and specially with a nation like china---where the weapons technology is moving ahead at a lightening speed---the demands of the buyer can be pushing the boundaries as well---.

We have to understand one thing---it is the first time for china to install this much capability in a gunship helicopter from A PRICKLY / DEMANDING buyer LIKE PAKISTAN ARMY---.

 

[StormBreaker]

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Good Lord, can we PLEASE-PLEASE close this Topic (temporarily).

Its truly become one of the most sad and pathetic Topics for Years now (going all the way back to [PDF 1.0].

 

[Toxic]

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About damn time

 

[Sharuf]

here’s another one

 

[Corax]

IMO. There is probably a 90% chance that Pakistan will not buy the Z-10ME helicopter gunship.

1. A number of recent wars have shown that the role of the specialized helicopter gunship has been significantly reduced. The threat it faces on the battlefield is higher than ever before.
2. UCAVs have been able to fully replace many important roles of manned specialized helicopter gunships on many levels. Large unmanned helicopters have also emerged.
3, China's more advanced specialized helicopter gunship, the Z-21, has emerged. Pakistan's need for the Z-10ME is not particularly urgent, and it could have waited until the Z-21 matured to buy it directly.

Yes, it seems that way. The traditional role of helicopter gunships to defeat armour has been replaced with cheaper drones. Helicopters are now more vulnerable than ever before, are expensive to acquire, operate, and maintain compared with drones. Helicopter gunships can only really be used in uncontested airspace, or as part of combined arms warfare, but even that makes them susceptible to manpads.

 

[Toxic]

Yes, it seems that way. The traditional role of helicopter gunships to defeat armour has been replaced with cheaper drones. Helicopters are now more vulnerable than ever before, are expensive to acquire, operate, and maintain compared with drones. Helicopter gunships can only really be used in uncontested airspace, or as part of combined arms warfare, but even that makes them susceptible to manpads.

The helicopters used in Ukraine are ancient.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Hi,

Welcome to the weapons world---. A lots of things happen between agreement and delivery date---and specially with a nation like china---where the weapons technology is moving ahead at a lightening speed---the demands of the buyer can be pushing the boundaries as well---.
We have to understand one thing---it is the first time for china to install this much capability in a gunship helicopter from A PRICKLY / DEMANDING buyer LIKE PAKISTAN ARMY---.

We want sanction free low price weapons but wants to have EU,US standards, Many time we pissed off of our all weather friend with our demands but eventually they agreed and all of us knew that it makes their weapons better than US/EU standards.

 

[Lion]

Yes, it seems that way. The traditional role of helicopter gunships to defeat armour has been replaced with cheaper drones. Helicopters are now more vulnerable than ever before, are expensive to acquire, operate, and maintain compared with drones. Helicopter gunships can only really be used in uncontested airspace, or as part of combined arms warfare, but even that makes them susceptible to manpads.

Highly inaccurate assessment as discussed before.

 

[Corax]

Highly inaccurate assessment as discussed before.

Recent conflicts would suggest otherwise.

 

[Toxic]

Highly inaccurate assessment as discussed before.

Exactly, it was Russian KA-52s that decimated Ukrainian armour back during the 2023 Summer counter offensive.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Hi,

Welcome to the weapons world---. A lots of things happen between agreement and delivery date---and specially with a nation like china---where the weapons technology is moving ahead at a lightening speed---the demands of the buyer can be pushing the boundaries as well---.

We have to understand one thing---it is the first time for china to install this much capability in a gunship helicopter from A PRICKLY / DEMANDING buyer LIKE PAKISTAN ARMY---.

Nailed it sir,
and specially this year, the Chinese are willing to listen to this demanding buyer. e.g. if they want to incorporate or already incorporate the capability of operating the Drones as a buddy system accompanying the gunship.

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our Budget Apache.

 

[Toxic]

Recent conflicts would suggest otherwise.

Anti tank weaponry has existed since WW1 but did they make it obsolete? Just because there was something that can destroy it doesn't mean it's obsolete.

 

[Corax]

The helicopters used in Ukraine are ancient.

I wouldn't call the Ka-52 "ancient". As I mentioned, gunships are most effective in uncontested airspace. The US used theirs under air superiority, the Russians haven't achieved that in Ukraine, with limited combined arms capability, hence their appalling loss rate of gunships, despite having defensive suites and countermeasures.