TTP wrap a man in Pakistan's flag and cut his head off

[Rational Philosopher]

Well one ethnic group has been main beneficiary of Pakistan at the cost of all others so far and one class of society, the former clerks, chowkidars and jamadars of colonial powers the overall winner of the creation of Pakistan. These are proven facts and impact Pakistan negatively everyday.

You must be clueless about the scale of death, displacement and destruction in FATA, KPK and Baluchistan to even make such ethnic-based accusations. Pakhtuns and Baloch are victims of dirty games of Establishment, and victims many times over. First all these militant groups are created for sake of rent-seeking, then extreme levels of action are later taken against same groups for more rent-seeking, then finally these groups are allowed to re-generate. Is this the fault of Pakhtuns and Baloch ?

What you said would be believable if no one had seen them first hand supporting and justifying the same groups that they are supposedly "the biggest victims of". Taking select examples from the past won't invalidate this glaringly obvious pattern.

While I'm no fan of the military’s incompetency and overreach in many areas like I've made it clear, I at the same time don't subscribe to the idea of everyone else being faultless.

 

[Watandar]

The Baloch are largely in support of BLA. The Pashtuns can't decide if they are against the Taliban or in support of it, sitting on the fence in the middle due to shared ethnicity. You don't cry about the Taliban, and then at the same time cry when they are eliminated.

No one buys this bullshit anymore. And my example of Kurds or Tamils applies 100%, it's bringing you down to reality that believing in some ethnic superiority threats doesn't apply to real life.

Your views on Pakhtuns/Baloch are wrong and the result of British propaganda about "martial races", followed by establishment poisoning of Pakistani minds. You probably think Sikhs are martial race too ?

Pakhtuns want jobs, education, political stability and improvement in living standards. In large part of KPK, Pakhtuns and other ethnic groups have suffered immense collateral damage due to various criminal and militant groups who are constantly in and out of bed with the Establishment. Frankly we would prefer both Taliban/TTP etc and Establishment to get lost and let us live normal lives. Baloch are the same story.

 

[Samlee]

Your views on Pakhtuns/Baloch are wrong and the result of British propaganda about "martial races", followed by establishment poisoning of Pakistani minds. You probably think Sikhs are martial race too ?

Pakhtuns want jobs, education, political stability and improvement in living standards. In large part of KPK, Pakhtuns and other ethnic groups have suffered immense collateral damage due to various criminal and militant groups who are constantly in and out of bed with the Establishment. Frankly we would prefer both Taliban/TTP etc and Establishment to get lost and let us live normal lives. Baloch are the same story.

Some people living in Lahore Karachi and Islamabad have no clue about this area but talk like they're the ultimate authority

The ignorance displayed on this thread would have been funny if it had not been sad

 

[Watandar]

What you said would be believable if no one had seen them first hand supporting and justifying the same groups that they are supposedly "the biggest victims of". Taking select examples from the past won't invalidate this glaringly obvious pattern.

While I'm no fan of the military’s incompetency and overreach in many areas like I've made it clear, I at the same time don't subscribe to the idea of everyone else being faultless.

what select examples ? We have 50 years of Establishment screwing KPK/Baluchistan and FATA and using it just to get money from abroad. The only people singing the praises of this approach were their sold out politicians, journalists and proxies in the civilian sphere. The Awami National Party warned Zia ul Haq many times about stroking a fire in Afghanistan, for this they are called traitors to this day.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Your views on Pakhtuns/Baloch are wrong and the result of British propaganda about "martial races", followed by establishment poisoning of Pakistani minds. You probably think Sikhs are martial race too ?

Pakhtuns want jobs, education, political stability and improvement in living standards. In large part of KPK, Pakhtuns and other ethnic groups have suffered immense collateral damage due to various criminal and militant groups who are constantly in and out of bed with the Establishment. Frankly we would prefer both Taliban/TTP etc and Establishment to get lost and let us live normal lives. Baloch are the same story.

I don't know how you've manged to infer I was referring to anything about martial races or that any ethnicity doesn't want jobs, etc.

My only point was that there's a clear pattern in the tribal belt where they can't make up their minds if they're against the Taliban or supportivd, and they often are either sympathetic to it or indifferent.

 

[arjunk]

It's two different groups of people here, where one thinks they are part of the other when it's not the case.

The urbanite Punjabi or Muhajir who has lost his mind due to PTI/fauj clash.

The extremist from Waziristan who sympathises with TTP. Or the Baloch that supports BLA.

The latter hate the guts of the former and don't give a rat's ass about the first. The first are mentally unstable and believe they are part of the "anti-state" team working together.

PTI duffers remind me of Iranian Zionist Diasporoids -- cheering the death of their own people for the sake of advancing foreign interests.

They even beg the west to sanction Pakistan 24/7. It's like there's a common puppet master who didn't even bother changing the script.

 

[arjunk]

You still don't get it do you??

Extremism is the cancer that was created by the very GHQ you worship.It wasn't created overnight and it will not vanish overnight.

Right now the kind of thinking GHQ has is suicidal for the country and that is what troubles me

FATA has been like this well before GHQ existed.

 

[Watandar]

I don't know how you've manged to infer I was referring to anything about martial races or that all ethnicties don't want jobs, etc.

My only point was that there's a clear pattern in the tribal belt where they can't make up their minds if they're against the Taliban or against, and they often are either sympathetic to it or indifferent.

Tribal belt has been told for last 70 years that only possible livelihood was as a smuggler and then for last 40 years that being a jehadi was awesome. Same Pro-jehad propaganda was sold to all other Pakistanis for generations. On top of this the anti-militant operations of last 20 years were extremely heavy handed , creating even more confusion, betrayal and hatred for faujis and state of Pakistan. That is the pattern.

 

[arjunk]

People like you have learned nothing from 1971 or the past 20 years in KPK/FATA or last 40 years in Baluchistan. Here is a hint : There are citizens of Pakistan that live outside of Lahore, Islamabad and Karachi.

Bangladesh remains a pro Pakistan Islamist state. Bengalis p!ss on the portraits of Mujib. But PTI supporters have made Mujib one of their fathers - Phul sapport saaar!!!!

 

[Samlee]

what select examples ? We have 50 years of Establishment screwing KPK/Baluchistan and FATA and using it just to get money from abroad. The only people singing the praises of this approach were their sold out politicians, journalists and proxies in the civilian sphere. The Awami National Party warned Zia ul Haq many times about stroking a fire in Afghanistan, for this they are called traitors to this day.

That is what is painful.They have still not learnt they're lessons.They seem to think that pashtuns are like PTI workers and leaders who can be abducted and tortured into submission



And now with the news of a potential minerals deal with US, Signing of Abraham Accords and recognition of Israel, Rumours about 27th amendment downgrading provincial autonomy,separating FATA from KP threats of destabilizing KP government. It is obvious that GHQ is resided by psychopaths who just want to watch the world burn

 

[arjunk]

Frankly we would prefer both Taliban/TTP etc and Establishment to get lost and let us live normal lives. Baloch are the same story.

Location: Suburbs of USA

 

[Samlee]

what select examples ? We have 50 years of Establishment screwing KPK/Baluchistan and FATA and using it just to get money from abroad. The only people singing the praises of this approach were their sold out politicians, journalists and proxies in the civilian sphere. The Awami National Party warned Zia ul Haq many times about stroking a fire in Afghanistan, for this they are called traitors to this day.

That is what is painful.They have still not learnt they're lessons.They seem to think that pashtuns are like PTI workers and leaders who can be abducted and tortured into submission



And now with the news of a potential minerals deal with US, Signing of Abraham Accords and recognition of Israel, Rumours about 27th amendment downgrading provincial autonomy,separating FATA from KP threats of destabilizing KP government. It is obvious that GHQ is resided by psychopaths who just want to watch the world burn

FATA has been like this well before GHQ existed.

No infact FATA was so peaceful that Uptil 2004 there was no military deployment.

 

[arjunk]

No infact FATA was so peaceful that Uptil 2004 there was no military deployment.

FATA has been what you call 'extremist' for centuries. It was completely lawless and out of govt control. When terrorist groups started taking advantage of that and using it as a safe heaven for operations against Pakistan and the world, what other choice did we have?

 

[Watandar]

Location: Suburbs of USA

Yeah no Pakistanis have ever lived abroad.

 

[Watandar]

FATA has been what you call 'extremist' for centuries. It was completely lawless and out of govt control. When terrorist groups started taking advantage of that and using it as a safe heaven for operations against Pakistan and the world, what other choice did we have?

who said FATA was extremist for centuries ? It was setup as a buffer zone by British and was as under-developed as the rest of West Pakistan in 1947. It remained utterly neglected after 1947 and used primarily for smuggling, with govt taking cut of profits and then later as staging grounds for war in Afghanistan,with govt munching on dollars and riyals. You had many choices throughout Pakistan's history and chose poorly, now you blame the common person of FATA ?