From Absolutely Not to America Please?

[Pakistanithinktank]

I no longer support IK. the only reason why so many people loved or still love IK is only because of corrupt PMLN AND PPP. Other then that he is just emotional leader who has zero strategic intelligence.

Disagree. The entire system’s rotten, some players are just better at hiding it than others. What’s tragic is that the Pakistani establishment never gave Imran Khan and PTI a fair shot at pushing the kind of reforms that could lead to actual, lasting change, not the usual surface-level fixes. If PTI had been allowed to complete two full terms, there was a real chance to steer Pakistan out of its economic mess. But the establishment had other plans.

Let’s not kid ourselves, Western powers aren’t rooting for a financially independent Pakistan. It’s easier to pressure, bribe, and manipulate countries teetering on the edge of collapse. That’s the playbook. And instead of backing reforms, the establishment made sure PTI stayed bogged down with internal sabotage. Their own moles chipped away at PTI’s strength from the inside, keeping it unstable and distracted.

And it wasn’t just passive sabotage. We all know how Imran Khan was trapped, how false flag incidents were orchestrated and then pinned on him and PTI. In a country where the entire structure from police and judiciary to institutions and political elites is under establishment control, standing up is basically a one-way ticket to jail… or worse. Just ask Arshad Sharif.

PTI wasn’t just up against political opponents, it was up against a machine designed to break anything that challenges the status quo.

 

[Jango007]

brother its not about corruption, its a game of thrones, the amount of nepotism, bullying and corruption done during PTI government in Centre and KP is no different to other governments. problem is that the general(s) supported by PTI failed in their bid.

the attacks on military installations, desecration of monuments and attack on Corps commander house did happen its no propaganda, the PTI verified accounts on social media not only posted it but celebrated and justified it.
when it suited PTI. took proud ownership and when it saw a backlash it made a "U turn" (a charge used on Imran Khan on regular bases by its political opponents).

that all said, Imran Khan has done his time whether or not the charges had any merit, he must be released. he has a mandate and there is a hype (valid and invalid) behind it.
but he and his party is no saint, there is no moral high ground when one thinks of that Rahim Shah who used to enter PM office by recording herself kicking the PM office, Farah Gogi as a front woman, Malik Riaz (and his unexplained philanthropy for PTI at the expense of Bahria town customers) or the ex-husband of Bushra Bibi who harassed the Punjab administration and KP? lets not even go there.

so, sadly its a zero sum game, his release and assent to power means that heads will have to roll that are currently wilding power implied or explicit power, and given Imran's track record he is one stubborn son of a gun and wont even talk to his peers in rival political parties which pretty much leaves a Turkish or GCC model where he is lord emperor.

Humm funny that I met with the sister of one of the family member of the Corp commander (....who to add credibility to my story ....escaped using ladder to his neighbour's house). She claimed that the entire thing was a clear setup....A corp commander was guarded by just two house keepers?
Cantt Area where even in normal days no one can enter was simply over run by few hundred demonstrators?

Our military really thinks we have a low IQ of a donkey ....not everyone is a Patwari.

I have spent my life defending and fighting to prove that our military men are the real saint and defenders of Pakistan. That Pakistan only exists because our generals stay up all night ordering attacks against our enemies......

I am sad to say it was all smoke and mirror.....Our Generals run a mafia tasked with collecting money for them and they become millionaires and billionaires while common foot soldier cannot wear a basic body armour or travel in a protected ride.....

I have said this before and will say it again...All nations progressed because they first cleansed themselves of dictators and corrupt politicians....Pakistan also need a bloody revolution and if army wants to get involved then let it be.

We need to kill entire families of Sharifs and Zardaris and all Generals that protect them...

 

[PakAl]

Briefly:
This started when General Mushraff claimed Pakistan needs 3rd way between PPP and Pmln, I supported this too. The establishment fault was when they supported Imran Khan PTI rise to power, they blackmailed many politicians to join PTI in order to weaken Pmln, they supported darnas, live coverage was given for decade in order to bring up the 3rd way, in front of their faces Imran Khan and PTI social media attacked Pmln, PPP, JUI, character assassinated everyone, made dirty jokes, memes etc. Why didn't they know one day all this will turn on them, and that's exactly what happened, now falsely claiming IK is traitor whilst he's not, he is exactly the same guy since 2011 and so is his party.

PTI also made big errors, the extra praise of generals and army, all up until when things didn't go their way, the immature political stunts, kept repeating the same blunders, the uturns, blind following their leadership. I understand millions were new in to politics but politicians LIE all the time.

 

[PakAl]

Nearly every single PTI followers I met supported a military coup against Bajwa and then Asim Munir, including PDF members and millions on social media but which clean generals will replace them? Its all propaganda. Bajwa was evil and behind the plan against PTI, he did it all because of extension but he left, when he left it was because he got exposed, then Usa was behind the removal but later on army and ISI, then after Bajwa left only he was, the next General is now the bad guy. The play keeps getting repeated and alot of people are understanding it. I remember PTI stated Jail fill movement, once people got arrested they claimed its human rights violation, Pti claimed government too scared to arrest IK, now he's in jail for 2 years. I mean its childish play however no doubt it could have lead to a disaster like 1971 but Pakistan people rejected it Alhamdulilah. Army and agencies got trapped so bad that they broke constitution and laws in order to get the upper hand. A big failure aswell.

Pakistan needs clean mature politics, we needs stability so economy can be improved.

 

[Abdul q]

People like you are the problem with Pakistan.

You don't even realize that Pakistan is sinking further and further with the current setup, and are happily marching along.

Only people living outside askari and cantts can feel that… it’s all good inside those boundaries.. i have a theory that Punjab will turn into another balochistan and its being planned and executed on highest level possible the region will be polarised and pak will have to give up nukes and then will began dismantling of Pakistan .. and army is fully involved.. i can’t keep my eyes close anymore

 

[Unknown987]

I no longer support IK. the only reason why so many people loved or still love IK is only because of corrupt PMLN AND PPP. Other then that he is just emotional leader who has zero strategic intelligence.

Don’t forget he was on the verge of bringing the whole Muslim world together. He Supported freedom for Palestine and IO Kashmir in in general Assembly.Dealt with major catastrophe COVID19-empowered youth created tourism and biggest of all he made is this

 

[gangsta_rap]

i have a theory that Punjab will turn into another balochistan and its being planned and executed on highest level possible the region will be polarised and pak will have to give up nukes and then will began dismantling of Pakistan .. and army is fully involved.. i can’t keep my eyes close anymore

What makes this even more dangerous is when you realize that the military leadership was so weak willed that all it took was a a threat or two from the US gov South Asia advisor (not even a member of the president's working staff) in ousting IK. No resistance at all....makes you wonder how compromised they are at the top

 

[Developereo]

these shameless bootlickers fail to understand that Generals treat Pakistani elected leaders like traitors , yet they fall in line the moment junior officials from USA/Saudia call them... so who are the real traitors then? politicians who rise to power through public support or the foreign agents sitting in GHQ?

@Irfan Baloch is a good poster but I disagree with him on this one.

 

[RafaleSlayer]

PTI’s Zulfi Bukhari to testify before US Congress body on ‘political repression’ in Pakistan​

Did no one tell Zulfi that Imran had vowed absolutely NOT to Americans? why begging to their congressmen for the plight of PTI?
why waste time in front of those who give full support to Israel to commit genocide of Palestinians. will these same American politicians care how democracy suitable to PTI is being mistreated in Pakistan?

why Zulfi is going to Americans? seems like he didn't get Imran's memo that we are not slaves.
oh wait, was it just a political slogan for domestic consumption of PTI followers?

to be fair his "absolutely not" was only for giving air bases for attacks on Afghanistan. He never said Pakistan don't want to have any relations with the US, everyone knows US is our largest trade partner in terms of favorable balance of trade.

 

[Unknown987]

I no longer support IK. the only reason why so many people loved or still love IK is only because of corrupt PMLN AND PPP. Other then that he is just emotional leader who has zero strategic intelligence.

Don’t forget he was on the verge of bringing the whole Muslim world together. He Supported freedom for Palestine and IO Kashmir in in general Assembly.Dealt with major catastrophe COVID19-empowered youth created tourism and biggest of all he made Islamophobia

 

[Taimoor]

Don’t forget he was on the verge of bringing the whole Muslim world together. He Supported freedom for Palestine and IO Kashmir in in general Assembly.Dealt with major catastrophe COVID19-empowered youth created tourism and biggest of all he made is this

People like OP and similar kind dont have the acumen to see the bigger picture. By regime range, Pakistan is not just attacked but its sabotaged. Its derailed from the path of freedom and choosing own destiny to the depths of slavery. I can bet my mortgage that this rat Muneer is CIA mole and one before that as well. Most of them as soon as they retire take the first flight out of Pakistan.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

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"A former Indian Army officer says that India should use Afghans, TTP and PTI against Pakistan."

All you need to know about terrorist party of PTI.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Yaar ye IK ko tapka kyon nahi re ?

Mighty Pak fauz should just arrange for some "natural causes" .. jail ke shower me fisal gaya, fatal chot lag gai sar pe

 

[alphapak]

"A former Indian Army officer says that India should use Afghans, TTP and PTI against Pakistan."

All you need to know about terrorist party of PTI.

What a moron PTI is an unarmed political party, the terrorists are
sat in GHQ terrorising the bloody civilians since 1947.

Yaar ye IK ko tapka kyon nahi re ?

Mighty Pak fauz should just arrange for some "natural causes" .. jail ke shower me fisal gaya, fatal chot lag gai sar pe

They done it with Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto but then don't forget what happened to Zia Ul Haq
after that, nobody found his bones or his balls.

 

[Sharma Ji]

They done it with Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto but then don't forget what happened to Zia Ul Haq
after that, nobody found his bones or his balls.

haan, toh IK sahab ka bhi intezaam karo na

he's become a major naak me dumm for the good generals, hasn't he ?

once bamboo is cut, no flute will play

na rahegi baans, na bajegi baansuri !