mythbuster
SpeedLimited
Maginot line was also invincible.....the only good military achievement of Egyptian during the last few centuries was crossing the suez canal in 73 war.....yep , that was a work of art
Egyptian Strategic projects..updates
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Abdulaziz
Registered Member
Don´t waste your time.. He doesn´t understand anything about military systems or how they function. You talking to a wall my brother. Ignore him
I bet he properly doesn´t even know what a Dog-fight means in a military sense
mythbuster
SpeedLimited
Yes , I know.....I was at cloud 9 when I first time read about it.
AZADPAKISTAN2009
Elite Member
This thread is more less trying to re-enforce the idea behind Israel's invulnerability
Iran Punched thru that false narrative a in recent conflict
1- Egypt while it has a strong interest in Palestine
2- Israel did not honour or respect Egypt's Zone of Influence
Egyptians were reduced to role of Jordan or Lebanon , Syria basically land which remains under Level 1 Threat from Israeli Aggression.
What Can Egypt do ?
If there is a will of course then people take action , as was case with Iran and Yemen , but Egypt is mostly "statements" which no international press even entertains.
Egypt have become Impotent in a way to act
What can Egypt do , or not do ?
These question have no meaning because Egyptians just don't have a will to fight, they watched Genocide on the border for 1.5 years for which they will be asked on Judgment day.
If we really Analyze the situation
"When Iran was firing up Super Sonic Missiles into Gaza !" and Israel was on their knees , where was Egyptian Army they still could not enter Gaza to protect civilians"
So I call all the Bullshit on social media claiming Egyptian army is able to do something as just Bullshit
Iran Punched thru that false narrative a in recent conflict
1- Egypt while it has a strong interest in Palestine
2- Israel did not honour or respect Egypt's Zone of Influence
Egyptians were reduced to role of Jordan or Lebanon , Syria basically land which remains under Level 1 Threat from Israeli Aggression.
What Can Egypt do ?
- In past 1.5 Years or 2 Years now , what did Egyptians accomplish ? Sisi completed his massive castle , one limousine rides thru the beautiful Castle
- Videos also exist of International activist being beaten up by Egyptians (unsure which caste or creed) , the activist wanted to take aid thru ground into Gaza ? What did Egypt do ? then ? To me at least that was clear sign Egypt is not able to do anything they are just talk , and social media post are also just deceptive talk
If there is a will of course then people take action , as was case with Iran and Yemen , but Egypt is mostly "statements" which no international press even entertains.
Egypt have become Impotent in a way to act
- Now not even getting free US aid what can be more impotent that ?
- An army who forgot how to fight a war
What can Egypt do , or not do ?
These question have no meaning because Egyptians just don't have a will to fight, they watched Genocide on the border for 1.5 years for which they will be asked on Judgment day.
If we really Analyze the situation
"When Iran was firing up Super Sonic Missiles into Gaza !" and Israel was on their knees , where was Egyptian Army they still could not enter Gaza to protect civilians"
So I call all the Bullshit on social media claiming Egyptian army is able to do something as just Bullshit
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AZADPAKISTAN2009
Elite Member
Let me paint the picture
Not Opinion but Historical Fact which are not discussed main stream and restricted to , Universities and books in Libraries
Past History: (Year 1600-WW2, 300 Year cycle)
When Settlers moved in to Americas , the Settlers befriended , Indian Native Tribes To fight against , other Native Tribes.
Colonial "British Empire" was fighting "Colonial French Empire" , so they all Divided tribes with each other to fight against each other. It was mostly Native tribes dying in that war fighting against other tribes. The colonial Empires gave just enough bullets and guns for tribes to fight each other.
The Native Indians Leaders were given treaties and Promises for equal rights by Settlers. However once one group of Native Tribes died or faced genocide, then settlers turned against the friendly tribes and cancelled all treaties. Native tribe went from 100% population to now may be 0.01% or 0.5%. Their decedents still get killed by Police , White men (according to native sources), women disappear and get killed. No real criminal proceedings take place. High Rate of Suicide in Youth due to constant pressure against their culture identity
If you follow even small bit of Native Indian culture in America you will hear that their suffering still goes on, and culturally they are controlled and not allowed to fully experience life to fullest due to artificial barriers which hinder their growth
Modern Day Example:
Countries like Jordan /Egypt/Saudis/UAE/Qatar are now playing the role of "friendly tribes". They all due to tunnel vision only want to secure their 10-15 year of Monarchy. All Dynastic Kingdoms see only as far as 10-13 years
They feel that if they acted in friendly manner they will attain equal human rights
So they are agreeing to help Israel attack some tribes
So we see Genocide of Culture and Lives in these countries
"100 years from now the Books will claim , Palestinians moved by their choice to Egypt , and migrated into Turkey, the Genocide in Americas they also claimed Most Native People died due to Virus. Just so their present day generation does not feel remorse. This is what they teach in schools , Native people just vanished by Will of God. They don't teach them what really happened"
In some nations the rate of Genocide is high , while others , there is rising Poverty , so it creates "Less Chance to grow as humans"
these are all due to a Slow Genocide process against all the Tribes in region
When People of these nation ask why are we poor , and our economies so bad or our leaders incompetent , they don't see why their Nations are falling behind
it is due to outside interference , sanctions and wars
(Based on current events fast tracked 300 years)
300 Years from now when you will review the history of region , you will see the impact of the active genocide how these tribes got Vanished and replaced by colonial powers , someone would say in future , yea , it was a "Genocide"
The friendly tribes also got whacked good
----------------------------------------------------------
Now , of course they plan and Allah is the greatest planner of them all
For this reason Prophet Mohammad left detained info on events to watch out for which will lead to End of Times
And this is where the miracle lies , they (Obviously Zionist) know Mahdi will come , they know Jesus/Eisa will come. But due to their Habbit they cannot stop. The Lust for Killing and Genocide , is their Ultimate fall, And Allah has promised that they (Mahdi and Jesus/Eissa) will come one day.
No satellite Surveillance will work , no F-35 Of F-15 will work, no military bases will work , they can't even protect anything even now.
...Back to your thread about what can Egypt do ...
What can Egypt do ?
1 - Be not a Impotent Army , grow some balls
2- Less focus on Castles and Limo rides , more active work in field
3- Did I say Grow some balls , worth repeating again
Right now Egyptian Army is a bit like Resort Police , lets you in only if you have a pass into resort , keeps all others out
And I admit Egypt has built some nice Resorts in Red Sea and they have a very lively night life etc finer things in life for the Rich class
Not Opinion but Historical Fact which are not discussed main stream and restricted to , Universities and books in Libraries
Past History: (Year 1600-WW2, 300 Year cycle)
When Settlers moved in to Americas , the Settlers befriended , Indian Native Tribes To fight against , other Native Tribes.
Colonial "British Empire" was fighting "Colonial French Empire" , so they all Divided tribes with each other to fight against each other. It was mostly Native tribes dying in that war fighting against other tribes. The colonial Empires gave just enough bullets and guns for tribes to fight each other.
The Native Indians Leaders were given treaties and Promises for equal rights by Settlers. However once one group of Native Tribes died or faced genocide, then settlers turned against the friendly tribes and cancelled all treaties. Native tribe went from 100% population to now may be 0.01% or 0.5%. Their decedents still get killed by Police , White men (according to native sources), women disappear and get killed. No real criminal proceedings take place. High Rate of Suicide in Youth due to constant pressure against their culture identity
If you follow even small bit of Native Indian culture in America you will hear that their suffering still goes on, and culturally they are controlled and not allowed to fully experience life to fullest due to artificial barriers which hinder their growth
Modern Day Example:
Countries like Jordan /Egypt/Saudis/UAE/Qatar are now playing the role of "friendly tribes". They all due to tunnel vision only want to secure their 10-15 year of Monarchy. All Dynastic Kingdoms see only as far as 10-13 years
They feel that if they acted in friendly manner they will attain equal human rights
So they are agreeing to help Israel attack some tribes
- Palestine (Active , Severe Genocide )
- Syria (On/Off, Genocide thru Proxy war, and preparation of bigger killing)
- Iraq (On / Off, not allowing this nation to become fully independent)
- Iran (On /Off , trying very hard to stifle the economy and growth )
- Yamen (On/Off, trying to disrupt Yameni people's Sovereignty)
So we see Genocide of Culture and Lives in these countries
"100 years from now the Books will claim , Palestinians moved by their choice to Egypt , and migrated into Turkey, the Genocide in Americas they also claimed Most Native People died due to Virus. Just so their present day generation does not feel remorse. This is what they teach in schools , Native people just vanished by Will of God. They don't teach them what really happened"
In some nations the rate of Genocide is high , while others , there is rising Poverty , so it creates "Less Chance to grow as humans"
these are all due to a Slow Genocide process against all the Tribes in region
When People of these nation ask why are we poor , and our economies so bad or our leaders incompetent , they don't see why their Nations are falling behind
it is due to outside interference , sanctions and wars
(Based on current events fast tracked 300 years)
300 Years from now when you will review the history of region , you will see the impact of the active genocide how these tribes got Vanished and replaced by colonial powers , someone would say in future , yea , it was a "Genocide"
The friendly tribes also got whacked good
----------------------------------------------------------
Now , of course they plan and Allah is the greatest planner of them all
For this reason Prophet Mohammad left detained info on events to watch out for which will lead to End of Times
And this is where the miracle lies , they (Obviously Zionist) know Mahdi will come , they know Jesus/Eisa will come. But due to their Habbit they cannot stop. The Lust for Killing and Genocide , is their Ultimate fall, And Allah has promised that they (Mahdi and Jesus/Eissa) will come one day.
No satellite Surveillance will work , no F-35 Of F-15 will work, no military bases will work , they can't even protect anything even now.
...Back to your thread about what can Egypt do ...
What can Egypt do ?
1 - Be not a Impotent Army , grow some balls
2- Less focus on Castles and Limo rides , more active work in field
3- Did I say Grow some balls , worth repeating again
Right now Egyptian Army is a bit like Resort Police , lets you in only if you have a pass into resort , keeps all others out
And I admit Egypt has built some nice Resorts in Red Sea and they have a very lively night life etc finer things in life for the Rich class
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gambit
Professional
I guess that is the risk you have to accept that your enemy would be supported by someone greater than yourself.
Viet
VIP Member
Putin is just a cheap spy. going by his words Russia is a military case for North Korea.
as for Egypt, maybe I miss something, Egypt receives lots of US money, US weapons every year thanks to peace treaty with Israel. most of Egypt weapons imports come from the US, Germany, France, etc.
If the flows of money and weapons stop, Egypt is finished.
Egypt weak economy can never sustain an arms race with Israel.
AZADPAKISTAN2009
Elite Member
It's just weapon supply , transport planes
The Satellite up in air tracking the launches 24 cycle and passing info to Israel
There is religious angle to the the war, not about having military base
- Its just a desert is just a barren land.
- Why would anyone worry about a dessert patch
- Why waste 200-300 billion dollars?
- Why Biden allocates 60 Billion quickly to Israel ? But can't allocate 1 billion for Detroit
If it was about military base , well USA has bases in Qatar , Saudi, UAE , Syria(used to) , favourable relation Egypt and Jordan land and take off etc
When Iran wanted to bomb the Qatar base , sure USA packed up and left to another one , no big deal about Qatar base
Sure you lose Israel , and then do your daily stuff in another base
But in End it has a religious angle (Protestant Sect's business, not Catholics/Orthodox sect)
Even the great ones , can't fight all Tribes at once
So it is also a Divide and Conquer, to Isolate 1 country at time
On other-hand the war has woken up many people in USA who are starting to think and question
- Why is Israel , above the law?
- Why do they have control over US politics?
- Why are there only 2 political parties and they both vouch for Israel in elections
Back to focus on Egypt
- I don't think Sis , will do much , has not done anything last 1.5 years
- Sure some statements will be made for keeping local Egyptians happy , sabre rattling noises. I don't expect much more
- Jordanian King will sit with Sis , and talk about current affairs, there will be gathering by the red sea a nice Hookah party with Egyptian Music in castle , and people will discuss about Crisis
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enroger
Registered Member
People keeps saying Egypt will not fight Israel as if it is entirely up to them. I'm sure Sisi would love to keep kissing up to Israel and US, but what if Israel wants more? More than even Sisi is willing to give?
John Smith
Registered Member
Israeli puppets will give whatever their master demands. Just look at Sharaa in Syria.
bengalcdn
Registered Member
Yes, that is why Iran held back fearing us involvement. They didn’t use up most of their missile arsenal, anticipating US involvement. You make it sound like it was a fair fight. How
The SC
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When does the confrontation come between Egypt and Israel?
The confrontation between Egypt and Israeli - a standing possibility, remains a standard of desire for war, but rather as an inevitable achievement of a historical path that has extended for centuries. It is not the result of seven decades, as some think, but its roots date back to nearly two hundred years, when the West began to think about planting a functional entity on the borders of Egypt aimed at dismantling the region and preventing any regional power from ascending.
A large number of researchers and historians, whether in the East or the West, exceeded the question whether the war is coming or not, and the controversy has become only about its timing: when will it happen? How will its circumstances be formed? That is why the real question today is not: "Will Egypt fight a war with the Israeli occupation?", Rather: "When? Under any circumstances?"
To understand this question, the historical context that governs this equation must first absorb. The West, centuries ago, realized that if Egypt united with its surroundings and possessed the initiative, it can establish an empire that threatens the interests of the major powers, just as Napoleon Bonaparte realized during his failed campaign on Egypt.
Indeed, when Muhammad Ali began building his expansion project, and threatened the regional balance, the major powers were united against him in 1840 to stop it. Since then, the idea of the necessity of planting a permanent entity in the region began to prevent its unification, separating Egypt from the Levant, and keeping the region in a state of disintegration and permanent turmoil, in a manner that guarantees the interests of the West and prevents a competitive regional force.
That entity was not only cultivated to occupy a land, but to contain ambitions, and to prevent the emergence of a strong central state that leads the region. The final goal, according to this logic, is to end the historical model of the extended and unified Egyptian state over thousands of years.
Since the establishment of this entity, the Egyptian state realizes that the confrontation is inevitably coming. However, over the decades, this confrontation was not only dependent on political desire, but also with precise conditions related to international and regional time, and internal and external conditions.
As for the occupation, two essentials are essential before taking any direct confrontation with Egypt:
Dismantling the Egyptian strategic balance in its geographical environment: by destroying or exhausting the surrounding Arab armies, especially the Iraqi and Syrian armies, and to weaken the Gulf financial and political support.
The Egyptian home front struck: by weakening national unity, questioning institutions, and reducing the Egyptian army in the eyes of new generations, to ensure that any clash is coming to the popular back.
On the other hand, Egypt realizes that the confrontation should only occur with its own conditions, the most important of which are:
The state's readiness is economically and military: not only for a local superiority over the occupation, but also to withstand a long in the face of the international powers that sponsor it, which still represents the solid nucleus of the existing world order.
The transformation of the international powers of power: from the United States unipolar system, to a multiple system, which China is seeking to achieve an accelerated pace on the economic and military levels. It is estimated that the year 2030 may witness China's overcoming of America in terms of comprehensive power.
In light of this equation, the time is in the interest of Egypt, not the opposite. With the growing Chinese influence, the West began to accelerate its plans to dismantle the region and push towards an early confrontation before the balance of the new powers was completed.
With all of this, the rule of decisiveness in such conflicts remains linked to the exact timing. History teaches us that fateful battles were settled by one day or even hours. For example, the Battle of Ain Jalut, if it was late or advanced one day, the history would have changed. The same is with Hittin, and October.
The next confrontation, then, will not be a tour of a series of wars, but rather a decisive confrontation. The end of the Zionist project may bear, or lose a strategic opportunity for the whole nation. Therefore, the most dangerous thing that might happen is the unfair hurry or provocation that forces Egypt to clash at a time that does not serve its interests.
Conclusion: The confrontation comes, but it will only come on time, with a calculated decision and complete conditions.
@ahmedmubarak87
The confrontation between Egypt and Israeli - a standing possibility, remains a standard of desire for war, but rather as an inevitable achievement of a historical path that has extended for centuries. It is not the result of seven decades, as some think, but its roots date back to nearly two hundred years, when the West began to think about planting a functional entity on the borders of Egypt aimed at dismantling the region and preventing any regional power from ascending.
A large number of researchers and historians, whether in the East or the West, exceeded the question whether the war is coming or not, and the controversy has become only about its timing: when will it happen? How will its circumstances be formed? That is why the real question today is not: "Will Egypt fight a war with the Israeli occupation?", Rather: "When? Under any circumstances?"
To understand this question, the historical context that governs this equation must first absorb. The West, centuries ago, realized that if Egypt united with its surroundings and possessed the initiative, it can establish an empire that threatens the interests of the major powers, just as Napoleon Bonaparte realized during his failed campaign on Egypt.
Indeed, when Muhammad Ali began building his expansion project, and threatened the regional balance, the major powers were united against him in 1840 to stop it. Since then, the idea of the necessity of planting a permanent entity in the region began to prevent its unification, separating Egypt from the Levant, and keeping the region in a state of disintegration and permanent turmoil, in a manner that guarantees the interests of the West and prevents a competitive regional force.
That entity was not only cultivated to occupy a land, but to contain ambitions, and to prevent the emergence of a strong central state that leads the region. The final goal, according to this logic, is to end the historical model of the extended and unified Egyptian state over thousands of years.
Since the establishment of this entity, the Egyptian state realizes that the confrontation is inevitably coming. However, over the decades, this confrontation was not only dependent on political desire, but also with precise conditions related to international and regional time, and internal and external conditions.
As for the occupation, two essentials are essential before taking any direct confrontation with Egypt:
Dismantling the Egyptian strategic balance in its geographical environment: by destroying or exhausting the surrounding Arab armies, especially the Iraqi and Syrian armies, and to weaken the Gulf financial and political support.
The Egyptian home front struck: by weakening national unity, questioning institutions, and reducing the Egyptian army in the eyes of new generations, to ensure that any clash is coming to the popular back.
On the other hand, Egypt realizes that the confrontation should only occur with its own conditions, the most important of which are:
The state's readiness is economically and military: not only for a local superiority over the occupation, but also to withstand a long in the face of the international powers that sponsor it, which still represents the solid nucleus of the existing world order.
The transformation of the international powers of power: from the United States unipolar system, to a multiple system, which China is seeking to achieve an accelerated pace on the economic and military levels. It is estimated that the year 2030 may witness China's overcoming of America in terms of comprehensive power.
In light of this equation, the time is in the interest of Egypt, not the opposite. With the growing Chinese influence, the West began to accelerate its plans to dismantle the region and push towards an early confrontation before the balance of the new powers was completed.
With all of this, the rule of decisiveness in such conflicts remains linked to the exact timing. History teaches us that fateful battles were settled by one day or even hours. For example, the Battle of Ain Jalut, if it was late or advanced one day, the history would have changed. The same is with Hittin, and October.
The next confrontation, then, will not be a tour of a series of wars, but rather a decisive confrontation. The end of the Zionist project may bear, or lose a strategic opportunity for the whole nation. Therefore, the most dangerous thing that might happen is the unfair hurry or provocation that forces Egypt to clash at a time that does not serve its interests.
Conclusion: The confrontation comes, but it will only come on time, with a calculated decision and complete conditions.
@ahmedmubarak87
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