India Lucky Not To Lose More Than Four Rafales

[Yasser76]

What possibly will Indians jump to?
Their claims of a sam taking down an erieye?
You are being obstinate to try and refute something which you probably know too but are focused on ad hominem to try and dispute the basic idea - “Pakistan took losses”

Perhaps not as serious as Indias but it did.
Do you want a picture of the situation?
Of the asset?
Of the men - maybe one of the officers sitting with his family on eid?

I dont want to argue with you, may main point is anything that is OPSEC related or can even give even a hint of comfort to the enemy should be off bounds.

I cannot even mention who or what I know, and never even mentioned it up until this post.

Losses were taken, no one can deny that and we can all learn

 

[Oscar]

@Oscar knows what's he saying
So let's just leave it at that .
I'm sure PAF is also working hard to fill in the loop holes .

خون کھولتا ہے جب لوگ

ان بھوُسریکے بھکتورے کے چکر میں اپنی عقل کھو دیتے ہیں

وہی چار پانچ طوائف کی اولاد ہیں جو الگ الگ id بنا کر آتے ہیں

لن پے چڑھاؤ انکو

مگر نہیں

جواب دینا ضروری ہے

مار دیے سات جہاز ؟
مبارک ہو

تالیاں پیٹوں

اور بھول جاو کے وہ خون کے پیسے جانور ہیں جو تیاری میں مصروف ہیں اور آپ بیلاروس کو ٹریننگ کے راگ گا رہے ہیں



بھولاری میں جانیں گئیں

کشمیر میں کتنے مارے

اے روز بلوچ انکے دیے پیسوں سے کتنے معصوموں کو مار رہے ہیں اور آپ کتنے معصوم بلوچوں کو نمبر پورے کرنے کے لیے اٹھا کے لاشیں پھک رہے ہیں



اسکا حساب کون لیگا ؟
کون پوچھے گا ؟
شہباز شریف ؟


کام از کام اگر کوئی سور کی اولاد بھکتورا یہاں صرف آگ لگانے اتا ہے کے وہ اپنی چھوٹی سی لُلی پکڑ کر خوش ہوجائے تو اتنے احمق نا بنو کے اسکے باتوں کو تھوک بھی ڈالو

 

[Oscar]

I dont want to argue with you, may main point is anything that is OPSEC related or can even give even a hint of comfort to the enemy should be off bounds.

I cannot even mention who or what I know, and never even mentioned it up until this post.

Losses were taken, no one can deny that and we can all learn

Nothing is opsec
They know this much as well.
Please keep your opsec concerns to yourself. It’s already been repeated on 50 pages

 

[PakistaniDefender]

However, it also means they learnt those lessons and are feverishly preparing for something come autumn.

Another false flag coming??

 

[PakistaniDefender]

Lasting impact how?

Maybe he is talking about either Nur Khan or Bholari

 

[Windjammer]

خون کھولتا ہے جب لوگ

ان بھوُسریکے بھکتورے کے چکر میں اپنی عقل کھو دیتے ہیں

وہی چار پانچ طوائف کی اولاد ہیں جو الگ الگ id بنا کر آتے ہیں

لن پے چڑھاؤ انکو

مگر نہیں

جواب دینا ضروری ہے

مار دیے سات جہاز ؟
مبارک ہو

تالیاں پیٹوں

اور بھول جاو کے وہ خون کے پیسے جانور ہیں جو تیاری میں مصروف ہیں اور آپ بیلاروس کو ٹریننگ کے راگ گا رہے ہیں



بھولاری میں جانیں گئیں

کشمیر میں کتنے مارے

اے روز بلوچ انکے دیے پیسوں سے کتنے معصوموں کو مار رہے ہیں اور آپ کتنے معصوم بلوچوں کو نمبر پورے کرنے کے لیے اٹھا کے لاشیں پھک رہے ہیں



اسکا حساب کون لیگا ؟
کون پوچھے گا ؟
شہباز شریف ؟


کام از کام اگر کوئی سور کی اولاد بھکتورا یہاں صرف آگ لگانے اتا ہے کے وہ اپنی چھوٹی سی لُلی پکڑ کر خوش ہوجائے تو اتنے احمق نا بنو کے اسکے باتوں کو تھوک بھی ڈالو

بات تو پیارے آپکی بالکل درست ہے مگر مسئلہ وہی ہے کہ یہ کتے کے بلے آگ لگانے کیلئے آجاتے ہیں اور ساتھ میں رنڈی کی طرح بار بار اپنی تصویریں بھی دکھاتے ہیں لہذا پھر ہم کو انکی تسلی کیلئے اپنا ھتھیار نکالنا پڑتا ہے
I know several contacts sitting on the material like that Tailchopper commander in Dacca .

 

[NationalistPKDude132]

Maybe he is talking about either Nur Khan or Bholari

nothing happend at Nur khan i can tell you that only bholari

 

[Windjammer]

nothing happend at Nur khan i can tell you that only bholari

True that as I personally witnessed the attack on Nur Khan .

 

[Oscar]

بات تو پیارے آپکی بالکل درست ہے مگر مسئلہ وہی ہے کہ یہ کتے کے بلے آگ لگانے کیلئے آجاتے ہیں اور ساتھ میں رنڈی کی طرح بار بار اپنی تصویریں بھی دکھاتے ہیں لہذا پھر ہم کو انکی تسلی کیلئے اپنا ھتھیار نکالنا پڑتا ہے
I know several contacts sitting on the material like that Tailchopper commander in Dacca .

Best is not to look to even give cow dung to any of their posts - but discuss within and focus on improvement concepts. Most officers who are competent are doing that. Learning lessons, implementing them or pushing for implementation.
But here and there you have the people who took leave the day of the attack and did not come back until ceasefire citing personal issues - and who are now celebrating as if they were involved.

At the end the professionals know better - but even as analysts, looking for Pakistan’s benefit - should be introspective of own content.

 

[Oscar]

Another false flag coming??

Maybe - maybe not.

 

[rafale]

In one case they have had a lasting impact.
However, all other cases the strikes were precise except for loss of accuracy due to spoofing for some.

What matters is that they strikes they did pull off don’t seem to reflect even 1/10th of the capabilities they boasted off which means the PAF was able to severely degrade their operational capabilities to where only Brahmos and Scalp capable systems were launching sporadic strikes.

Many of these attacks were shot down.

However, it also means they learnt those lessons and are feverishly preparing for something come autumn.

In addition, if you look at overall BDA - India has much more proprietary and OSINT available to it for verification available to it compared to Pakistan.

First, you have hostile elements to Pakistan living within the population freely.
Second.
Not only are Pakistani facilities more embedded in urban environments to give every other idiot with a cell phone ability to provide free intel but also lack control on channels to upload intel.
And while “onlooking” is extremely rampant in both India and Pakistan - Pakistanis are simply more foolhardy from decades of conflict and other social reasons that they don’t panic and run from explosions or fire unlike Indians seen in the videos from their side.

I think your last para sums it up for BDA.......Indians could not control it either....Rafale, Su30, M2k wreckage all video-ed and photoshot by locals.....and uploaded in the frenzy and excitement that PAF jets have been shot down only to be revealed to be Indian ones. Mig29 wreckage is even more funny with the para military guy making selfies.....so that helped PAF case a lot.

You are right that PAF didnt produce or could not produce satellite imagery, but then thats all indians got to display because lets be honest, other than a fluke hit on Bholari where unfortunately sons of the soil embraced shahadat, shooting down of your top line invincible jets sends shivers, because it doesn't matter that they were restricted by RoE or not, but that invincibility is as good as a PL15.

In a full out war, attacks on infrastructure are expected, I am sure PAF will learn and fill the gaps faster than Indians who can buy all they want, but refuse to accept and learn.

I am now more interested in the 4 rafales claim.....what happened to the other 3 rafales whose condition/wreckage we haven't seen, but PAF is confident (probably due to OSINT/HUMINT from airbases in India) as claimed and reported by Alan Warnes as well.

Also, Indians being able to parade the BDA, i believe that was one of the "off-ramps"

No one is taking or discussing LoC clashes and deaths.......why???

 

[TAC]

What possibly will Indians jump to?
Their claims of a sam taking down an erieye?
You are being obstinate to try and refute something which you probably know too but are focused on ad hominem to try and dispute the basic idea - “Pakistan took losses”

Perhaps not as serious as Indias but it did.
Do you want a picture of the situation?
Of the asset?
Of the men - maybe one of the officers sitting with his family on eid?

Ofcoarse we understand Pakistan took losses in men and ofcoarse that has a lasting impact but as far as assets are concerned, limited damage easily repaired as confirmed by your good self and another senior member who’s established integrity and honest reporting I also trust without question. Untill you / him or an equally reliable other source tells me any different that is my understanding and will reflect in my posts. I don’t believe that makes me equivalent to a Bahkt who talks of shoot downs of Erieye etc.

 

[Yasser76]

Nothing is opsec
They know this much as well.
Please keep your opsec concerns to yourself. It’s already been repeated on 50 pages

So if that is the case why so cryptic? Do you see my point?

 

[Yasser76]

Ofcoarse we understand Pakistan took losses in men and ofcoarse that has a lasting impact but as far as assets are concerned, limited damage easily repaired as confirmed by your good self and another senior member who’s established integrity and honest reporting I also trust without question. Untill you / him or an equally reliable other source tells me any different that is my understanding and will reflect in my posts. I don’t believe that makes me equivalent to a Bahkt who talks of shoot downs of Erieye etc.

This is my point. Lets not try and proven anyone has insider knowledge that others do not have, if you did good chance you would not be posting on this forum at all....

 

[BonPlan]

You are too Indian to accept anything that slightly puts a dent on your fragile ego.

Can also came from the hit to the ground.