China preparing for 'protracted' war, says think tank

You really don't know what you're talking about. :ROFLMAO:

Scalp and HIMAR's got fooled by EW? Lmao when? :ROFLMAO:

Both Scalp and HIMAR's have delivered thousands of dead Russians and thousands of confirmed objectives. Don't live in la la land buddy.
You are poorly informed about the Ukraine war despite 60 billion US dollars and an infinite number of sophisticated weapons Ukraine failed miserably in the counter-offensive All those supposedly magic weapons don't work We haven't heard the Western press praising Himar or Storm Shadow. They get initial success but soon Russia gets hold of unexploded storm shadow and figures out way to fool them REad this article buddy

In the daylight strike on September 20, the Ukrainian frontline bombers reportedly took off from the Starokonstantinov airbase in the Khmelnytskyi region and flew to the border of the Odessa and Nikolaev regions. Two Su-24M went further south to Ochakov, the second launch point.

Of the 8 Storm Shadows that were launched, 5 were shot down by crews of the Pantsir-S1 air defense missile system of the 31st Air Force and Air Defense Division. Three were brought down near Sevastopol.

Following the loss of frontline warships in Sevastopol to the Ukrainian missile attack on September 13, Russia had learned its lessons and deployed countermeasures to prevent a repeat of the Ukrainian success.

The countermeasures included the deployment of the powerful Krasukha 4 EW systems in the Kherson region, covering the possible directions of attack and in the target area. Also, the deployment of artillery systems capable of generating an aerosol cloud around likely targets.

The EurAsian Times had published a detailed analysis of these countermeasures and their likely impact on future Ukrainian attacks.

Our analysis pointed out that the Krasukha 4 EW system can screen targets from radar Imaging and thwart radio frequency missile seekers, while aerosol clouds can screen targets from optical imaging and thwart optical seekers on missiles.

In conclusion, we had stated: “With increased deployment of Krashuka systems and the use of aerosol-cloud generating shells, Russian forces will be able to severely curtail US ability to identify targets and image them for attacks by cruise missiles.”
 

Russia Now Has ‘100% Protection’ Against US-Supplied HIMARS With Its Upgraded Defense System – Rostec​

When HIMARS was first deployed on the battlefield against Russia last year, it proved to be a game changer equipment and helped push the Russian troops further back from the frontlines. Ukraine used the MLRS to target Russia’s logistics and military warehouses and recapture territory in its September 2022 counteroffensive with the help of HIMARS.


Pantsir missile system - Wikipedia
Pantsir missile system – Wikipedia
However, soon after, the Russians were able to strategize and adapt to the continuing HIMARS fire from Ukraine. Besides upgrading an air defense system that can shoot down every HIMARS rocket that Ukraine launches, the Russians are also reportedly using electronic
jamming to reduce the efficiency of HIMARS.

 
Stop the personal attacks and stick to the topic


BACK TO THE TOPIC


With due respect, China will hit with shock and awe.

Real shock and awe totally unlike that of America self declared shock and awe of Iraq.

Attacking Kinmen island will be unnecessary declaration of war and give unnecessary warning.


More likely than not, the air and naval bases on Japan and Okinanwa and Guam will all be taken out in 10 minutes .


www.cnas.org


First Strike: China's Missile Threat to U.S. Bases in Asia


Followed up with periodic hits from to prevent airfields from being repaired , and to take out assets not taken out in the first strikes.

China’s Air-Launched Land Attack Cruise Missile Capability

There are advantages in developing an ALCM capability. An ALCM has enormous utility in the initial stages of a conflict and is likely to be used in armed conflict, as it can eliminate the enemy’s air defences as well as air bases. It can also be delivered at substantial standoff ranges. The PLAAF is only a recent entrant into the club of countries capable of long-range bomber operations. The only two other states with significantly greater experience are the United States and the Russian Federation.[25] China’s long-range air-launched cruise missile capabilities pose the greatest threat to static targets and slow-moving concentration of forces or troops, rather than airborne targets. The CJ-20 is not a threat to airborne targets because of their speed and manoeuvrability, making them difficult targets to destroy.[26]

For instance, the PLAAF’s KD-20, also known as CJ-20 ALCM missile, is geared for striking land targets. It is an air-launched land attack cruise missile with a range of 1500 km. CJ-20 forms the payload of the PLAAF’s Xian H-6 strategic bomber (See Table 4). The variant of the H-6 strategic bomber, known as the H-6K, presents an even greater challenge than the original H-6H/M variant that first emerged in 2006. If estimates and predictions are accurate, the H-6K has a substantial combat radius of 2,500 km and when equipped with the CJ-20, gives it a menacing striking range of 4,000 km, which is 40-percent more than its predecessor.
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First Strike: China's Missile Threat to U.S. Bases in Asia

Developing strong, pragmatic and principled national security and defense policies.
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And American carriers within the 2nd island chain be hit by multiple AShCMs and from DFs

Chinese Long-Range Ballistic Missiles Struck Moving Ship In South China Sea: Report

The test could represent the first full demonstration of a real Chinese long-range anti-ship ballistic missile capability.
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Chinese Long-Range Ballistic Missiles Struck Moving Ship In South China Sea: Report

The test could represent the first full demonstration of a real Chinese long-range anti-ship ballistic missile capability.

BY JOSEPH TREVITHICK NOVEMBER 16, 2020


At least some of the ballistic missiles that China's People's Liberation Army fired into the South China Sea during an exercise earlier this year, which you can read about more in the
War Zone's initial story on those drills, reportedly hit a moving target ship. If true, this would be the country's first known demonstration of an actual long-range anti-ship ballistic missile capability, which could significantly change the operational calculus for any potential opponent, including the United States, in the disputed maritime region and elsewhere in the Pacific.
The
South China Morning Post reported last week that Wang Xiangsui, a retired People's Liberation Army (PLA) officer, had said that one DF-26B intermediate-range ballistic missile (IRBM) and one DF-21D medium-range ballistic missile (MRBM) had struck the target vessel as it sailed near the Paracel Island chain during the August exercise. Wang, who has been described as "well-connected" in the past, is best known as one of the co-authors of the 1999 book Unrestricted Warfare, which covered various asymmetric means to undermine and defeat countries that were technologically superior to China. It has become a highly influential text, and general concept, in national security circles.


"We launched the DF-21 and DF-26, and the missiles hit a vessel sailing south of the Paracel Islands," Wang said during a closed-door gathering in China's eastern Zhejiang province in October, according to the
South China Morning Post. “Shortly after that, an American military attaché in Geneva, [Switzerland] complained and said it would lead to severe consequences if the missiles hit an American aircraft carrier. They see this as a show of force. But we are doing this because of their provocation."

Wang does not appear to have given any details about the target ship, its construction, how fast it might have been moving, or how the PLA may have cued the missiles their target.
It remains unclear exactly how many missiles the PLA fired during the exercise on Aug. 26.
South China Morning Post's initial report had indicated that two weapons had been launched, one DF-26B and one DF-21D, from sites in China's northwestern Qinghai province and in Zhejiang, respectively.
I will not talk of DF21s or DF26s as that making you so uptight and I hate to induce constipation in you.
At least not at the very beginning.

Just run of the mill ShCMs that China got in abundance. That range far far beyond the range of America Harpoon and other associated crap

A lot more reach, and a lot more bang, and lots and lots of them too.
And all those will touch you before you even know that they are there, and way way before you can launch at China.






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Chinese have about 3,000 of these kind of AShCMs.

In the form of Mach 3–4 YJ-12s carrying 400–500 kg semi shaped charge warheads, fired outside the AEGIS cover. The YJ-12 can also do evasive maneuvers to avoid anti-missile threats.



YJ-12 - Wikipedia

There is also the YJ-18 with reach exceeding Aegis cover. YJ-18 will start off at sub Mach 1. Until about 20 km from target , it will sprint at Mach 3–4 to deliver good news to the carrier .

China's YJ-18 Supersonic Anti-Ship Cruise Missile: America's Nightmare?

This Chinese description relates that the missile’s great strength is its “亚超结合的独特动力” [subsonic and supersonic combined unique propulsion]. Another term applied to this design is “双速制反舰导弹” [dual speed control ASCM]. As explained in the article, it is projected that YJ-18 would have an initial subsonic phase estimated at .8 Mach similar to the Klub of about 180km, but 20km from the target would unleash the supersonic sprint vehicle at speed of Mach 2.5 to 3. The “dual speed” function allows the system to realize certain advantages of subsonic cruise missiles, such as their “relatively long range, light weight and universality …” but also takes the chief advantage of supersonic ASCMs as well, namely the ability to “大幅压缩敌方的反应时间” [radically compress the enemy’s reaction time].

The Chinese article relates another advantage of the “dual speed” approach. Just as the missile comes into contact with the ship’s defenses, it “sheds the medium stage …,” thus simultaneously and dramatically altering both its speed and also its radar reflection, “which would impact the fire control calculation.” The likelihood that YJ-18 improves upon the Klub missile’s “digitization, automation, as well as providing more intelligent flight control and navigation technology” is attributed in the Chinese article to a recent Jane’s report.






EVEN I NEVER SAID CHINA WILL SINK THE CBGs

WHO THE FCCK CARE ABOUT SINKING CBGs

WHEN THE SHIPS AND CARRIERS ARE BURNING FROM END TO END,
FROM THE FUEL ON BOARD AND ORDNANCE ON BOARD , AND THE PAINT
AND THE FLESH AND FAT AND OIL OF American MEN AND WOMEN

THEY ALL CAN REMAIN AFLOAT FOREVER TO GIVE SOLACE TO America AND THEIR RUNNING DOGGIES AND BROWN NOSERS THAT NONE OF THEM SUNK AT ALL

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Any time USA want to tango, China will tango with USA

A hit from Chinese AShCM will be sufficient for it to be over for any USA carrier.

CHINESE AShCM CARRY EVEN MORE BANG AND HELLFIRE THAN THAT RUSSIAN P-800.
AND EXPECT AT LEAST 100 MISSILES BE HITTING THAT CARRIER, AND AT LEAST 10 TO EACH OF THE BURKES AND TICOS



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Estimated China got 3000++ of AShCMs

But it is more likely Chinese be firing 100 such missiles at single USA carrier.

But it is more likely Chinese be firing 100 such missiles at single USA carrier.

But it is more likely Chinese be firing 100 such missiles at single USA carrier.

No shit about bulkheads and spaces to contain the hellfire that will likely engulf the entire carrier.
WHEN ENTIRE SHIP CANNOT CONTAIN THE HELLFIRE, DONT TALK CRAP THAT BULKHEADS AND SPACES CAN CONTAIN THAT KIND OF HELLFIRE


And not just the warhead, there will be 2–3 tons of missiles coming behind the warhead at Mach 3 tearing into the bulkheads and ordnance and aviation fuel and the poor men and women in the carrier. Those 2–3 tons of missile body will be tearing in the bulkheads faster and more deadly then APFSDS. Andf carrying its own unburned fuel to add to the fun.
Even steel will burn when hit with hell fire and tons of steel and debris coming in at Mach 3. The aviation fuel, and paint on walls, the bombs and ordnance will all cook off and add to the huge huge fire inside the carrier. Regardless if carrier under Condition Zebra or Donkey or Jackass.
The brave sailors in those carriers will not care or worry and be happy that their carrier not sinking. And only burning and burning from one end to the other end


USA need not worry too much of DF26s DF21s any more.

Or even of the 3000++ AShCMs of China, including many Mach3s


As long as USA carriers and Burkes and Ticos stay out of 2nd Island Chain, they will remain safe.

Meet the latest.

This baby is call the YJ-21 , 鹰击-21 or Eagle Strike 21



https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/04/yj-21-chinas-new-anti-ship-missile-will-make-the-navy-sweat/



AND OF COURSE, EXPECT 300+++ DF21s and DF26s that be raining down from directly over head at Mach 10



USA fanboys then come about foaming at the mouth that should their precious carriers be hit, they use nukes.

They think China got measly 200++ nukes.
Just like the 5000 km China underground GREAT WALL, contain only piddling 200++ nukes?
USA not realising China nukes are thermonuclear nukes and immediately usable as Chinese nukes are done to YuMing configuration.

USA must think why with only 200++ nukes, China can fire off 2000++ warheads express delivery via DF5 , DF31AG, DF-41 and JL2 and JL3 and much more.

Perhaps they think most of the warheads are delivering dim sum, sweet and sour chicken and tea bags.

Should USA fire just one nuke at China or chinese forces, all the USA bases in Japan and Okinawa and Singapore and Diego Garcia and in USA be turned into seas and lakes of multicolor glass.



And for the next hour, those air bases and naval bases in Japan Guam Okinawa and Phillipine and anywhere else be hit by cruise missiiles to take out assets not taken out by DFs

Then and there, invastion and attack of Taiwan will commence.
 
Taiwanese won't suffer living like that. Without electricity. Without oil. They cannot stand that kind of life. They surrender. China can always import electricity and gas and oil from neighboring Russia. China is not an island like Taiwan. An island can be blockaded.
If you ask me China is more blockade prone..... 3 islands chains mostly under USA and allies control, Taiwan as ally, Japan as ally, South Korea as ally, heavy USN and allies presence in the Pacific, India existence near malacca strait makes China which has only single coast and ocean technically a landlocked country.....

USA can still keep supplying Taiwan from South East coast but China will be completely chocked and suffocated in major war till the time they declare peace with Taiwan and accept them as s separate country......

China knows her vulnerability here that's why they're are all doing efforts behind OBOR, CPEC etc..... however you can import just a fraction of goods by road route compared to maritime route......
 
If you ask me China is more blockade prone..... 3 islands chains mostly under USA and allies control, Taiwan as ally, Japan as ally, South Korea as ally, heavy USN and allies presence in the Pacific, India existence near malacca strait makes China which has only single coast and ocean technically a landlocked country.....

USA can still keep supplying Taiwan from South East coast but China will be completely chocked and suffocated in major war till the time they declare peace with Taiwan and accept them as s separate country......

China knows her vulnerability here that's why they're are all doing efforts behind OBOR, CPEC etc..... however you can import just a fraction of goods by road route compared to maritime route......
You are talking about a full scale world war, what the chance do you think a world war will happen because of Taiwan. Almost all countries recognises Taiwan being part of China, in what name foreign countries can supply Taiwan? If you count in south Korea, Japan, India, you also have to count in Russia, North Korea and Pakistan. but again, that won't cause a world war, US is never that selfless to put everything it has on the line just for an island. Did US even send one soldier to Ukraine to help fight Russia?
 
You are talking about a full scale world war, what the chance do you think a world war will happen because of Taiwan. Almost all countries recognises Taiwan being part of China, in what name foreign countries can supply Taiwan? If you count in south Korea, Japan, India, you also have to count in Russia, North Korea and Pakistan. but again, that won't cause a world war, US is never that selfless to put everything it has on the line just for an island. Did US even send one soldier to Ukraine to help fight Russia?
There will be no world War over Taiwan..... USA stance is clear..... if China attacks Taiwan they will protect Taiwan..... if war starts we will see China attacking Taiwan and Taiwan USA combined forces defending themselves.....
Other USA allies Japan, South Korea, India, Philippines,
Australia will be indirectly helping USA by making things further difficult for China by disturbing her shipping lines
 
There will be no world War over Taiwan..... USA stance is clear..... if China attacks Taiwan they will protect Taiwan..... if war starts we will see China attacking Taiwan and Taiwan USA combined forces defending themselves.....
Where and when US said it?

 
There will be no world War over Taiwan..... USA stance is clear..... if China attacks Taiwan they will protect Taiwan..... if war starts we will see China attacking Taiwan and Taiwan USA combined forces defending themselves.....
Other USA allies Japan, South Korea, India, Philippines,
Australia will be indirectly helping USA by making things further difficult for China by disturbing her shipping lines
You should get some info from some other channels instead of only from Indian ones.
 
Where and when US said it?

Entire world knows USA is there to protect Taiwan.... in 1996 also when you threatened Taiwan USA deployed her aircraft carrier and you ran back.....

USA supplying lethal and modern weapons to Taiwan without giving a hoot to your one China policy, Pelosi visit inspite of your warnings shows USA determination to defend Taiwan.....

In reply all China can do is send warships or jets near-by Taiwan do some BHANGRA dance and come back home......

Not everything has to be officially said...... China knows USA determination and this is why till date you don't have guts to touch Taiwan militarily......
 
Entire world knows USA is there to protect Taiwan.... in 1996 also when you threatened Taiwan USA deployed her aircraft carrier and you ran back.....

USA supplying lethal and modern weapons to Taiwan without giving a hoot to your one China policy, Pelosi visit inspite of your warnings shows USA determination to defend Taiwan.....

In reply all China can do is send warships or jets near-by Taiwan do some BHANGRA dance and come back home......

Not everything has to be officially said...... China knows USA determination and this is why till date you don't have guts to touch Taiwan militarily......

Biden has no authority to take the US into war without congress approval. Guess what? There is no public support in the US for war with China. The US will not defend Taiwan if China invades Taiwan.
 
Entire world knows USA is there to protect Taiwan....
Your "entire world" is only India maybe, US doesn't official promise to defend Taiwan. US doesn't even recognize Taiwan as a country.
 

“What I can tell you is that we remain committed, resolutely committed, to our responsibilities under the Taiwan Relations Act, including making sure that Taiwan has the ability to defend itself from any aggression,” Blinken replied.

“The president said specifically that the U.S. would, that’s not what you’re saying, correct?” Bash asked again.

Blinken then reiterated that Biden had “made clear that we will do everything necessary to make sure that Taiwan has the means to defend itself.”
This is the farthest US can go.
 
And with the neckbreaking speed of China's naval power growth, it'll not be even a topic very soon.
 
Entire world knows USA is there to protect Taiwan.... in 1996 also when you threatened Taiwan USA deployed her aircraft carrier and you ran back.....
Is today's China the one in 1996? is today's US the one in 1996? and even in 1996, US didn't get itself involved in a direct shootout with China.
 
Those US "Allies" who count on US help get this

The South Vietnamese fleet also received warnings that U.S. Navy radar had detected additional Chinese guided missile frigates and aircraft on their way from Hainan.

South Vietnam requested assistance from the U.S. Seventh Fleet, but the request was denied.

A potential diplomatic crisis was averted when China released the American prisoner taken during the battle. Gerald Emil Kosh, 27, a former U.S. Army captain, was captured with the South Vietnamese on Pattle Island.
 

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