Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[falcon34]

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This gangus lies everytime but what was it that got hit any idea anyone.
@farooqbhai
@Bilal
@Panzerkiel

 

[gamaji]

MiG-21 is outdated, serving only to maintain numbers.

Either you are shitheaded or your IAF people who brought Mig-21s to take on the PAF F-16s in 2019. I think it's you. Mig-21 is not that junk as you're trying to make it. It was heavily upgraded with latest avionics and other sub-systems. It seemed IAF had full confidence in the machine. That's why Abhi suddenly appeared from behind the hills to take on PAF planes.

 

[Terracotta Warrior]

Bring it on!.......come and attack if you DARE!!!!.........Launch a FULL scale invasion against us.......see what we will do to india. You indians claimed you are going to do to Pakistan what the israelis are doing to the Palestinians in Gaza. Now come and try..........

Sorry to bring down your expectations, but I’m under no illusion about what India can or cannot do to Pakistan, unlike what Israel is doing to Palestine. A prolonged India–Pakistan war would resemble the Russia–Ukraine conflict—dragged out and devastating—until one side considers going nuclear, which, thankfully, remains highly unlikely

 

[Terracotta Warrior]

By that logic and by the "new normal " rules a long devastating war should be imposed on India to prevent it from becoming an economic power. China will ensure that and Pakistan ( already a "basket case") has no problems engaging India in a war on behalf of China ( and Nepal, Myanmar, Sri Lanka , Bangladesh and Turkey) . We will ensure that India doesn't become strong enough to annex Pakistan and depopulate us. India can choose its own path to inevitable nuclear destruction. Its hard to be a $10 trillion economy after a few nuclear hits even though Japan showed it is possible.

Well, in my understanding, that’s exactly what the BJP government has been trying to do—avoid direct confrontation with Pakistan until India becomes strong enough to render it irrelevant. It’s a strategy quite similar to what China has been doing with the U.S. in the context of Taiwan.


That’s why India appeared to start the last conflict with a somewhat misplaced urgency to end it quickly, once its intended message was delivered—without fully anticipating Pakistan’s unpredictable response or its unclear ambition to establish some form of dominance over Pakistan. As a result, India is now paying a price in terms of losing the perception war.


The next conflict, whenever it happens, is likely to drag on much longer. India may feel compelled to see it through to a conclusion that’s clearly in its favour—something that makes the future potentially very dangerous.


By the way, I’m a pacifist and hate seeing innocent people killed. If it were up to me, I’d put Munir and Modi in a ring as champions of their respective sides and let them fight it out like in the old days.

 

[Terracotta Warrior]

Sounds just like Iranian cope over why their 4 gorillion missiles could not decisively defeat Israel.

I’ll take a pass on responding to your comment—next time, try bringing in a point that’s intellectually stimulating enough to warrant a debate or even a response. Better luck

 

[flyingorca]

Counter question, why are there no Astra/MICA/Derby BVR wreckages in pakistan? IAF had restrictions to not engage any adversary military assets and hence no SEAD/DEAD ops or engaging of PAF aircrafts. Even in press release it was mentioned no pakistani military assets were engaged while PAF was well prepared for two weeks, the "mistake" CDS was talking about.

Had there been an air battle I am sure there would've been multiple Indian BVRs ending up in pakistan.


Iran hitting Israeli bases is as useless as pakistan hitting a base in andamans with a shaheen. Iran isn't very close sharing border with israel and doesn't have an airforce which can take advantage of enemy's cratered runway and launch massive attacks. While a hit on PAF's runways and hangars would create immediate disadvantages in front of the adversary unless repaired.

So PAF is lying by saying Su-30 crashed near Srinagar? I mean random videos ain't an evidence. Especially from a suspended account.

Iran struck Isreali base with 30 impacts. This is where F35s and C130J are based. You are calling this attack useless?

https://www.npr.org/2024/10/04/nx-s1-5140058/satellite-images-dozens-iranian-missiles-struck-near-israeli-air-base

 

[flyingorca]

MiG-21 is outdated, serving only to maintain numbers.

Actually PAF F16 Block 15s are same age as IAF mig21 Bisons. Bothere aircrafts were manufactured in 80s.
PAF current Mirage fleet are much older then Bisons.

 

[Vkdindian1]

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This gangus lies everytime but what was it that got hit any idea anyone.
@farooqbhai
@Bilal
@Panzerkiel

It remains a mystery.
These trailers were seen damaged in post attack pictures but one Think Tank had said that they weren’t commissioned yet.

Truth lies somewhere in between.

 

[CallSignMaverick]

Iran struck Isreali base with 30 impacts. This is where F35s and C130J are based. You are calling this attack useless?

https://www.npr.org/2024/10/04/nx-s1-5140058/satellite-images-dozens-iranian-missiles-struck-near-israeli-air-base

BMs aren't precision weapons

 

[TopGun786]

It remains a mystery.
These trailers were seen damaged in post attack pictures but one Think Tank had said that they weren’t commissioned yet.

Truth lies somewhere in between.

The more you and other fellow trolls speak the more you get entangled and become laughing stock.
In a desperate act of clutching straws you are going to drown completely.
I will suggest you and your fellows to get underground and cut ties from this forum for a few days.
Let us enjoy the victory in peace

 

[TopGun786]

So India surrendered in just 30 minutes and not in 60 minutes as it was estimated previously .

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[side-winder]

It remains a mystery.
These trailers were seen damaged in post attack pictures but one Think Tank had said that they weren’t commissioned yet.

Truth lies somewhere in between.

It's not about being commissioned. Its about whether they were operationalized or in a dispersed state.

The system is operanalized as and when required bringing together all the components from dispersed locations. The equipment is installed after entire system is setup together (multiple trailers not just 2).

Snapshots below from an official press release related to Indus Shield.

 

[arjunk]

So India surrendered in just 30 minutes and not in 60 minutes as it was estimated previously .

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At this attrition rate the entire Rafale fleet would be vapourized within 18 hours

 

[falcon34]

It remains a mystery.
These trailers were seen damaged in post attack pictures but one Think Tank had said that they weren’t commissioned yet.

Truth lies somewhere in between.

Could had they been operational they wouldn't be sitting ducks like that in the open in a airfield which would have attacked.

 

[Vkdindian1]

Could had they been operational they wouldn't be sitting ducks like that in the open in a airfield which would have attacked.

Since they were at the base, they are unlikely to be in use when attacked. Since, the primary purpose of these was for dispersed state. @side-winder has touched upon this aspect in his post above.

Operationally, this attack may not have had any impact on PAF capability. But, it was still a high value assest and showed precise attack capability of IAF.