Pakistan Missiles - Updates, News & Discussion

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

The indians and americans have pushed a narrative that india has the right to hit pakistan with pakistan only merely defending not retaliating.... And they are succeeding .... This may episode out response was way too low. We are becoming pacifists day by day !

It's not a Narrative , it is due to weapons we held for long time

F16 = A defensive plane

No helicopter gunship , which helps your troop on ground move faster
to capture land positions

Not having ICBM

 

[safriz]

Don't think Asim Munit will allow any nuclear missile tests..
He sold many things including nuclear capability.

 

[Waz]

I have been saying this for really lonjg time. We need a cruise missile with minimum of 1500 KM range and better if it's some where between 2500 to 3000 both land version as well as naval version. We also need to come up with supersonic and hypersonic cruise missiles.

100%, currently the Pakistani army has no such weapon, yet these weapons were the ones hurled at Pakistan during the recent war.

 

[Zarvan]

100%, currently the Pakistani army has no such weapon, yet these weapons were the ones hurled at Pakistan during the recent war.

It was MRL with maximum range of 240 KM. We need cruise missiles, subsonic, supersonic and hypersonic ones with 1500 KM range make sure from Delhi to Goa all major Indian cities can be hit. Several times in a single day

 

[iblini]

100%, currently the Pakistani army has no such weapon, yet these weapons were the ones hurled at Pakistan during the recent war.

a lot of goodies will be reveled for the first time next month, so sit tight.

 

[Foxhound]

100%, currently the Pakistani army has no such weapon, yet these weapons were the ones hurled at Pakistan during the recent war.

I think Pakistan is working on a number of systems to ensure conventional as well as nuclear deterrence is maintained.... hopefully some insights will revealed in due course.
Also don't forget current systems in development --- such as Sarkash?

Sarkash is a loitering munition, or "kamikaze drone," developed by Pakistan's Global Industrial & Defence Solutions (GIDS). It represents a significant development in Pakistan's drone program and its military doctrine.
Here are some key details about the Sarkash system:

Role: Sarkash is a tactical munition designed for both intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR) and strike capabilities. It is intended to be used against targets like radar arrays, artillery batteries, or forward command posts.

* Specifications:
* System Weight: 175 kg
* Operational Range: 1,000 km
* Endurance: 120+ minutes
* Payload: 25-50 kg warhead (blast fragmentation and special payloads)
* Propulsion: Turbojet
* Deployment: It is a canister-launched system, offering flexibility in deployment from various platforms, including ground vehicles, naval vessels, or fixed installations.

Autonomy:

Sarkash is described as an autonomous system capable of finding, tracking, and destroying enemy targets without requiring constant human guidance.

Doctrinal Shift:

The development of Sarkash, along with other GIDS systems like the Sarfarosh loitering munition, indicates a shift in Pakistan's military strategy towards "distributed, disposable, dominant" warfare. The aim is to produce these drones in large numbers to be used for mass autonomous strikes.

The Sarkash system, along with other domestic developments like the Shahpar-II UCAV, demonstrates Pakistan's increasing focus on and investment in unmanned aerial systems for both reconnaissance and combat roles.

 

[falcon34]

a lot of goodies will be reveled for the first time next month, so sit tight.

As in August or September?.

 

[Foxhound]

Recap, Fyi-

Analysis of Pakistan's Missile and UCAV Systems: A Detailed Look at Strategic Deterrence

Pakistan's military doctrine, particularly its "Full Spectrum Deterrence" policy, relies on a sophisticated and evolving arsenal of missiles and Unmanned Combat Aerial Vehicles (UCAVs) to ensure strategic stability in a volatile region. This strategy aims to deter a larger, conventionally superior adversary by possessing a credible and diverse set of weapons that can inflict unacceptable damage, thereby making any form of military aggression too costly to consider.

The development of these systems is a direct response to perceived threats and a cornerstone of the country's national security.

Missiles:

The Backbone of Strategic Deterrence
Pakistan's missile program is centered on cruise missiles, which are preferred for their ability to fly at low altitudes and use stealth technology to evade radar detection. This capability is critical for a country facing a well-equipped adversary with advanced air defense systems.

Babur Series:

This family of cruise missiles provides a versatile and robust platform for both conventional and nuclear strikes.

Babur-1B:

As a ground-launched variant, the Babur-1B has a range of 900 km. Its subsonic, terrain-hugging flight profile makes it difficult for enemy radar systems to detect and track. The missile's guidance system, which combines INS, TERCOM, and DSMAC, ensures a high degree of accuracy. The long range allows Pakistan to target a wide array of strategic assets from deep within its own territory, enhancing the survivability of the launch platform.

Babur-3:

The submarine-launched version, with a range of 450 km, is arguably the most crucial component of Pakistan's nuclear deterrent. Its ability to be launched from a submerged platform provides a guaranteed second-strike capability.

This ensures that even if a first strike were to neutralize all land-based nuclear assets, Pakistan could still retaliate, thus making a preemptive attack an irrational choice for any enemy.

Ra'ad Series:
These air-launched cruise missiles (ALCMs) are designed to extend the reach of Pakistan's air force, allowing it to strike targets from a safe distance.

Ra'ad-II:

This ALCM has a range of 600 km. Its enhanced stealth features and a new, more compact airframe are specifically designed to counter advanced air defense systems like the S-400. By enabling launch platforms to remain far from the engagement zone, the Ra'ad-II significantly increases the survivability of the aircraft and the effectiveness of the strike.

Taimoor (in development):

Representing the next generation of ALCMs, the Taimoor is a stealthy missile with a range of 290 km. Its low-observable (LO) airframe is a key feature, designed to further reduce its radar cross-section and improve its ability to penetrate and neutralize enemy air defense systems and high-value targets.

UCAVs and Loitering Munitions: The New Face of Warfare

Pakistan's UCAV programs are evolving to create a multi-layered offensive capability, blending traditional armed drones with cost-effective, autonomous loitering munitions.

Shahpar Series (UCAVs):

The Shahpar series provides a persistent and versatile platform for both reconnaissance and strike missions.

Shahpar-II:

This Medium-Altitude, Long-Endurance (MALE) UCAV has an endurance of up to 20 hours for surveillance and 12 hours for armed missions. With an external payload capacity of 190 kg, it can carry precision-guided munitions like the "Barq" missile. Its most significant feature is the SATCOM capability, which allows it to operate far beyond the line-of-sight data link range, providing it with a much larger operational radius.

Shahpar-III (in development):

As a High-Altitude, Long-Endurance (HALE) UCAV, the Shahpar-III is expected to be a substantial leap in capability. With a projected endurance of up to 30 hours and a higher service ceiling, it will offer unparalleled persistence and a greater operational range for both intelligence gathering and strike missions.

Sarkash Systems (Loitering Munitions):

These "kamikaze drones" are a critical part of Pakistan's strategy to overwhelm enemy air defenses through saturation.

Sarkash:

This long-range loitering munition has an impressive operational range of 1,000 km and an endurance of over 2 hours. Powered by a turbojet engine and carrying a 25-50 kg warhead, it is designed for deep-strike missions against strategic targets. Its high speed, small size, and autonomous capabilities make it a difficult target to intercept, particularly when launched in a swarm.

Blaze Series:

This family of tactical loitering munitions provides a more flexible and granular strike capability. The Blaze 75, with a range of 500 km, is designed for longer-range engagements, while the electric-powered Blaze 25 has a range of 75 km and a minimal acoustic and thermal signature, making it ideal for stealthy, short-range attacks.

Likely Success of These Systems Against Enemy Air Defenses

The effectiveness of these systems in penetrating enemy airspace is a central concern and a key factor in Pakistan's deterrence calculations.

Cruise Missiles:

The low-altitude flight profiles and stealth characteristics of missiles like the Babur and Ra'ad are specifically designed to exploit the limitations of ground-based air defense radars. By flying below the radar horizon, these missiles can remain undetected until they are too close to be effectively intercepted. This creates a significant challenge for even advanced systems, forcing an adversary to deploy a dense and costly network of air defenses.

UCAVs:

While UCAVs like the Shahpar-II are larger and more vulnerable than missiles, their effectiveness lies in their operational flexibility. They can be used to gather intelligence, jam enemy electronics, or even act as decoys to draw out and deplete an enemy's air defense ammunition. The planned HALE UCAV, Shahpar-III, would further enhance this capability with greater persistence and a wider operational range.

Loitering Munitions:

The strategy behind systems like the Sarkash is to use sheer numbers to overwhelm a defender. By launching a swarm of these low-cost, autonomous munitions, Pakistan can create a complex and difficult-to-manage threat for any air defense system. Even if many are shot down, a sufficient number may get through to their targets, ensuring that the strike is successful. This "swarming" tactic is a key part of the "distributed, disposable, dominant" warfare concept.

In conclusion, Pakistan's ongoing development of these diverse and sophisticated systems is a clear and direct effort to bolster its deterrence posture. The combination of long-range cruise missiles for strategic strikes, advanced UCAVs for persistent reconnaissance and strikes, and swarming loitering munitions for tactical advantage makes any military aggression against Pakistan a high-risk proposition for a potential adversary.

 

[Waz]

I think Pakistan is working on a number of systems to ensure conventional as well as nuclear deterrence is maintained.... hopefully some insights will revealed in due course.
Also don't forget current systems in development --- such as Sarkash?

Sarkash is a loitering munition, or "kamikaze drone," developed by Pakistan's Global Industrial & Defence Solutions (GIDS). It represents a significant development in Pakistan's drone program and its military doctrine.
Here are some key details about the Sarkash system:

Role: Sarkash is a tactical munition designed for both intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR) and strike capabilities. It is intended to be used against targets like radar arrays, artillery batteries, or forward command posts.

* Specifications:
* System Weight: 175 kg
* Operational Range: 1,000 km
* Endurance: 120+ minutes
* Payload: 25-50 kg warhead (blast fragmentation and special payloads)
* Propulsion: Turbojet
* Deployment: It is a canister-launched system, offering flexibility in deployment from various platforms, including ground vehicles, naval vessels, or fixed installations.

Autonomy:

Sarkash is described as an autonomous system capable of finding, tracking, and destroying enemy targets without requiring constant human guidance.

Doctrinal Shift:

The development of Sarkash, along with other GIDS systems like the Sarfarosh loitering munition, indicates a shift in Pakistan's military strategy towards "distributed, disposable, dominant" warfare. The aim is to produce these drones in large numbers to be used for mass autonomous strikes.

The Sarkash system, along with other domestic developments like the Shahpar-II UCAV, demonstrates Pakistan's increasing focus on and investment in unmanned aerial systems for both reconnaissance and combat roles.

All great developments, but the need of the hour is for a very fast LACM which India has no hope in intercepting. Aim those straight critical military infrastructure, crushing their ability to fight.

 

[Waz]

a lot of goodies will be reveled for the first time next month, so sit tight.

I hope brother, I'm hoping to see a supersonic attack missile, and China has a fantastic option with the CJ-100/DF-100.

 

[Michael]

I hope brother, I'm hoping to see a supersonic attack missile, and China has a fantastic option with the CJ-100/DF-100.

I don't know why you would like the CJ-100/DF-100. this missile is not very popular in China.

The CJ-100/DF-100 is in a rather awkward position in PLARF's missile arsenal. It flies at Mach 4 at an altitude of 30KM. Its biggest advantage is its very high accuracy. But other capabilities are totally inferior to the DF-26.

Of course, China will continue to improve and develop it. But it is really not very popular now.PLARF is only equipped with CJ-100/DF-100 in small quantity.

 

[Waz]

I don't know why you would like the CJ-100/DF-100. this missile is not very popular in China.

The CJ-100/DF-100 is in a rather awkward position in PLARF's missile arsenal. It flies at Mach 4 at an altitude of 30KM. Its biggest advantage is its very high accuracy. But other capabilities are totally inferior to the DF-26.

Of course, China will continue to improve and develop it. But it is really not very popular now.PLARF is only equipped with CJ-100/DF-100 in small quantity.

What other reasons have they given? I can only see this in the Chinese arsenal that fits a high speed LACM. The DF-26 is a ballistic missile.

 

[iblini]

I hope brother, I'm hoping to see a supersonic attack missile, and China has a fantastic option with the CJ-100/DF-100.

We are fairly certain to get a glimpse of the new hypersonic cruise missile and the DF-27, DF-51, DF-61, and possibly more surprises.

 

[Michael]

What other reasons have they given? I can only see this in the Chinese arsenal that fits a high speed LACM. The DF-26 is a ballistic missile.

Whether it's a ballistic missile or a cruise missile, if it serves a tactical purpose.

More accurately, the CJ-100/DF-100 is a combined ballistic + cruise missile. Part of its flight path belongs to a ballistic missile and the other part belongs to a cruise missile. But we usually call it a cruise missile.

And the DF-17 is actually a composite missile as well. But we usually call it a ballistic missile.

So it doesn't matter whether it's called a ballistic missile or a cruise missile. What matters is our ability to use it to accomplish tactical missions.

 

[Waz]

Whether it's a ballistic missile or a cruise missile, if it serves a tactical purpose.

More accurately, the CJ-100/DF-100 is a combined ballistic + cruise missile. Part of its flight path belongs to a ballistic missile and the other part belongs to a cruise missile. But we usually call it a cruise missile.

And the DF-17 is actually a composite missile as well. But we usually call it a ballistic missile.

So it doesn't matter whether it's called a ballistic missile or a cruise missile. What matters is our ability to use it to accomplish tactical missions.

That's good info.
The tactical need is to hit military targets at a rapid pace, with little chance of intercept, and something which can be produced at numbers.