JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

[Charles_Martel]

Mig-29M2 reportedly equipped with AESA

Russia is late on AESA.
The big nose of their birds with PESA probably seemed enough....

 

[Charles_Martel]

Block 3 JF-17 has AESA

With air cooling. ie less powerfull than with liquid cooling.
The AESA radar cooling is a real problem not so easy to solve..

 

[Yasser76]

We are all thinking it right? Not just me?

 

[Ali_Baba]

We are all thinking it right? Not just me?

Yes - it is BonPlan back - but now reincarnated with a different id.

 

[hussain0216]

nah thats not it, atleast not from the Turkish perspective. Iraq has F-16s already, i think the JF-17 order may have fallen apart b/c the Iraqis just bought the South Korean T-50/FA-50s. The JF-17 doesn't make sense when they have bought 34 F-16s and 24 T-50s. The High Low is already defined.

I think at this point if they do buy an additional platform it would be something that exceeds those platforms, something like the J-10C. The US sold them F-16s but no BVR missiles.

F16s without BVRs are worthless

Look how useless the Iraqi airforce was in the iran-israel conflict

JF17s would be cheaper, with no strings with full Pakistani support for maintenance and training and no restrictions on any weapons packages

We can't stop these countries from being stupid, they would rather cuck themselves

 

[Yasser76]

F16s without BVRs are worthless

Look how useless the Iraqi airforce was in the iran-israel conflict

JF17s would be cheaper, with no strings with full Pakistani support for maintenance and training and no restrictions on any weapons packages

We can't stop these countries from being stupid, they would rather cuck themselves

That is partly true but also Saudis were not happy with the Iraqis getting AMRAAMs either, and Iraq/Turkey relationship is not that good.

Why would Pakistan arm a potential adversary of two of our closest allies?

 

[hussain0216]

That is partly true but also Saudis were not happy with the Iraqis getting AMRAAMs either, and Iraq/Turkey relationship is not that good.

Why would Pakistan arm a potential adversary of two of our closest allies?

That's debatable

Unless Iraq is getting 400 JF17s armed with PL15s, what real threat are they to Turkey or Saudi?


More likely would be 40 or so JF17s, that could replace cucked F16s to actually protect Iraqi skies and target nut balls and areas where their are terrorists

 

[Yasser76]

That's debatable

Unless Iraq is getting 400 JF17s armed with PL15s, what real threat are they to Turkey or Saudi?


More likely would be 40 or so JF17s, that could replace cucked F16s to actually protect Iraqi skies and target nut balls and areas where their are terrorists

Well after 7th May especially I would not count on any BVR in service right now getting the better of the PL15.....

Block II JF-17s would be just fine, hell, good way of killing two birds with one stone is to sell them 2 Sqds of PAF Block IIs

 

[Scorpio]

The Main competitor of JF17 B3 will be J10CE .. for export customers..

 

[Yasser76]

The Main competitor of JF17 B3 will be J10CE .. for export customers..

I am not so sure

 

[Scorpio]

I am not so sure

If any customers have budget .. they definitely prefers J10C over JF17B3 ..
Price difference is not much .. adding 10 to 15 million per jet they can have medium jet instead of light weight..

Both are Chinese origins.. weapons set from china

 

[ghazi52]

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Idk Ask Pakistan "Mr.Geopolitics Understander". lol

Pakistan recently got F-16 upgrades and it buys Chinese.

The Iraqis have bought Russian defense equipment post Saddam, so not I don't think its oversimplified like that where the all controlling US bans they from buying or whatever myth. The reality is Iraq is divided and run by incompetent people with conflicting agendas. Some are US puppets, some are Iranian puppets. The post Iraq invasion setup is specifically hamstrung by their constitution to be a weak country, divided along sectarian lines, with the KGR, Sunni Arabs and Shia Arabs, with 3 diverging poles.

Well, its a needless debate. If you don't think that Foreign policy , diplomacy, alignments have anything to do with fighter jet purchases then my friend its really is no use to debate any further. I will do one last attempt to convince you how important these are in decision making. You have given few random examples, Russia wasn't a threat post Saddam for US. Even China wasn't a threat to US supremacy / hegemony till recently. Every scenario needs to be evaluated within the timeframe and circumstances. Pakistan didn't got any upgrades for F-16s. It just gets maintenance / monitoring package extensions. Heck it didn't even got clearance for ATAK129 engines, only time it was getting anything was when US was in Afghanistan and needed Pakistan. Its like saying Iran uses american F-14 tomcats, events need to be evaluated w.r.t time frame.

Now let's circle back to Iraq.

Iraqi F-16s block 52s.
- Expensive to maintain (JF-17C is moderate / affordable to maintain)
- No BVRs or at best 120-5 (100 km range BVR) (JF-17C comes with PL-15Es)
- No AESA (JF-17C is AESA equipped)
- No HOBS missiles (Jeffs are armed with PL-10Es)
- No Stand of weapon capability (Jeff got CM401, Taimur, Rasoob, many others)
- Monitoring & checks (Not in case for Jeffs)

Compare it with JF-17 block IIIs, you get a host of technologies and lethalities. No wonder they were / are interested to even swap those. Even for PAF (Despite having AMRAAMs) we consider AESA equipped squadrons as "Hi tech" (4.5 gen) rest is second tier. JF-17C is serious contender a modern jet with lethal weapon integration capability. Its not cheap too, Azeri deal is worth over 4 billion USD. So there's not many countries in the world which can afford, but yes certainly more affordable then western jets. Again in sales, the most important factor whether a sale can happen or not is based on geopolitics & diplomacy / alliances & FP.

On your other point regarding specific mig-29 replacements, I agree. Its not specific to only mig-29 replacement. Any country that needs modern capabilities can go for it. Depends what are their requirements / budget / FP / alignment. (if later would not be a problem, india could have bought J-35s and chinese EW systems. Japan / Australia / SK could have bought Chinese.. But alignments do matter. Even a country that appears to be neutral have to make decisions according to their FP. )

 

[TopGun786]

With air cooling. ie less powerfull than with liquid cooling.
The AESA radar cooling is a real problem not so easy to solve..

Hi Mr French!

 

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