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Metal 0-1
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I really pray they go to Turks for unlocking that F-16 potential in A-A and A-G. It would be really sad day for me to see them F-16s go without seeing them being milked.
At least get them ADF's see some BVR capability. Really hate those hideous odd one out in our arsenal.
Scorpio
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Will US approve such modification... specially when there involvement in F16 will shrink down ...
Scorpio
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Linked with india and US .. F35 possible deal .. if india go for F35 .. chances for AiM 120D will near to non
why would that be.
Oscar
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No premature celebrations please
Oscar
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The ADFs serve well as OCU to help build currency without putting too much hours for the rest of the fleet. They are doing their job
Scorpio
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No celebrations at all, we know Americans can turn the table any time ...
Just put a thought about it ..
later on if things remain positive... We might see some sort of progress in this area too .. or just news of negotiation at least ..
We all know Life time Love
of PAF Old BaBa's Jee with F16's .. unfortunately that's not going anywhere, till last of them remains in PAF service..
Trailer23
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OMG 
Guys...
Gangustan's News18 has reported...
Pakistan May Have To Phase Out US-Supplied F-16 Fighter Aircraft Due To Engine Issues
Reported By : Shalinder Wangu CNN-News18
Edited By: Apoorva Misra
August 02, 2025
Over the last three years, dozens of F-16’s engines have been rejected, primarily due to technical faults, wear from years of service, and a crippling shortage of spare parts
Pakistan may have to gradually phase out the US-supplied F-16 fighter aircraft—once considered the pride of Pakistani Air Force.
Pakistani F-16s are grappling with serious crises, which means in the coming years, the Pakistan Air Force will be forced to ground its entire fleet.
News18 has reliably learnt that Pakistan’s Air Force is confronting a substantial operational strain due to persistent engine reliability issues affecting its aging F-16 fleet.
The F-16s, long regarded as the backbone of the PAF’s aerial capability, depend on Pratt & Whitney F100 engines—specifically the F100-PW-200 and the F100-PW-229. Over the last three years, dozens of these engines have been rejected, primarily due to technical faults, wear from years of service, and a crippling shortage of spare parts.
The reliability crisis is compounded by the United States’ strict export controls governing the sale and supply of OEM spare parts. Recent financial difficulties have led to delayed or suspended payments owed to the US Foreign Military Sales programme, which, in turn, has halted the delivery of critical engine components and maintenance kits to Pakistan. This has pushed Pakistan’s only advanced, all-weather multirole fighter jets towards potential grounding and limited their availability for operational deployment—a severe blow to national air defence.
The core of the issue lies not only in the advanced age and wear of Pakistan’s F-16s, but also the inflexible restrictions imposed by the US, both in terms of monitoring their use and in strictly regulating the flow of replacement parts. Under the most recent US-Pakistan agreement, the F-16s are subject to close American oversight, permitted to operate only from designated bases and explicitly restricted in their role. This further aggravates the challenge of keeping the fleet airborne since any deviation or friction in this arrangement can prompt delays in logistical flows and, by extension, reduce operational readiness.
Operational consequences are serious: dozens of F-16 airframes are grounded at any time awaiting repairs or parts, eroding the PAF’s ability to maintain effective patrols or respond quickly to crises.
The operational gap is now sparking a greater reliance on the JF-17 Thunder, a jointly developed Sino-Pakistani combat jet. However, the JF-17, powered by Russian RD-93 engines, is also struggling with its own maintenance and spare parts issues due to sanctions on Russia and reported technical limitations, leaving it an imperfect substitute.
Ultimately, Pakistan is now caught in a strategically vulnerable position, with the operational readiness of its premier fighter force diminished by aging technology, insufficient access to spare parts, and financial as well as geopolitical hurdles. Without a reliable solution to its F-16 engine woes—either through fresh US cooperation or a viable alternative—the PAF faces an untenable strain that limits its deterrence and the flexibility crucial to its national security posture.
Now could someone explain that highlighted part in the 4th paragraph. This article was written/reported by a...Shalinder Wangu.
Ab koi ye pochay kay ees ke amma kay "spnay" reliable source hain?
Since Operation Swift Retort (which was...what...6 Years ago), India has been Grounding our Air Force through their esteem Media. And what have they achieved...?
Does that look like the score of an Air Force in peril?
Engine problems. Grounded.
Sounds all to familiar. And this chamaar part-time reporter from
needs to perhaps focus on the great LCA Tejas a bit more.
But its okay, I suppose. If there is anything we've ALL learned is that Indian Media will go the distance to lie their ass off just for viewership & beat their own adversaries. Who can forget 10th May... Karachi Port Burning. Indian Navy in Lahore/Faisalabad/Multan. F-16 shot down & Pilot captured. PAK PM in some Hospital. (Field Marshal) Asim Munir arrested by Army. Baluchistan Free...
What's even more interesting is that their people actually still believe it. Challo, luggey raho...
Here are some words of a Viper Driver for the Indian Members.
"Ye salley bach gaey (because of the Ceasefire), warna hum nay jo een ki chittar parade karni thee..."
-PAF Viper Driver
MAXAR Technologies is all the rage currently in/on Indian Media. Perhaps they can see daily movement of what all is still operational and what isn't.
This choot of a journalist couldn't convince 1.6 Billion that a F-16 was shot down (pipe dream), so he went from Plan-B. Ground kar dou because of Engine problems.
@Windjammer @Irfan Baloch @Ali_Baba @alphapak @Areesh @ARMalik @Bilal @Dalit @DESERT FIGHTER @Distant_Observer @Falcon26 @HRK @Hakikat ve Hikmet @Khansaheeb @Liquidator @M. Sarmad @Maarkhoor @Master Chief @maverick @Mighty_Dragon_Strike @mythbuster @NA71 @Olympus81 @Panzerkiel @PK781 @pwfi @r3alist @SiliconByte (silicon0000) @SteppeWolff @StormBreaker @Starlord @TAC @TOPGUN @TopGun786 @UndercoverJIX @Vapnope @Vortex @Yasser76 @Zarvan
@Assault Rifle @CallSignMaverick @Raj-Hindustani @Guynextdoor @Vkdindian1 @Vikramaditya1 @Vishnu Hypersonic Cruise
Guys...Gangustan's News18 has reported...
Pakistan May Have To Phase Out US-Supplied F-16 Fighter Aircraft Due To Engine Issues
Reported By : Shalinder Wangu CNN-News18
Edited By: Apoorva Misra
August 02, 2025
Over the last three years, dozens of F-16’s engines have been rejected, primarily due to technical faults, wear from years of service, and a crippling shortage of spare parts
Pakistan may have to gradually phase out the US-supplied F-16 fighter aircraft—once considered the pride of Pakistani Air Force.
Pakistani F-16s are grappling with serious crises, which means in the coming years, the Pakistan Air Force will be forced to ground its entire fleet.
News18 has reliably learnt that Pakistan’s Air Force is confronting a substantial operational strain due to persistent engine reliability issues affecting its aging F-16 fleet.
The F-16s, long regarded as the backbone of the PAF’s aerial capability, depend on Pratt & Whitney F100 engines—specifically the F100-PW-200 and the F100-PW-229. Over the last three years, dozens of these engines have been rejected, primarily due to technical faults, wear from years of service, and a crippling shortage of spare parts.
The reliability crisis is compounded by the United States’ strict export controls governing the sale and supply of OEM spare parts. Recent financial difficulties have led to delayed or suspended payments owed to the US Foreign Military Sales programme, which, in turn, has halted the delivery of critical engine components and maintenance kits to Pakistan. This has pushed Pakistan’s only advanced, all-weather multirole fighter jets towards potential grounding and limited their availability for operational deployment—a severe blow to national air defence.
The core of the issue lies not only in the advanced age and wear of Pakistan’s F-16s, but also the inflexible restrictions imposed by the US, both in terms of monitoring their use and in strictly regulating the flow of replacement parts. Under the most recent US-Pakistan agreement, the F-16s are subject to close American oversight, permitted to operate only from designated bases and explicitly restricted in their role. This further aggravates the challenge of keeping the fleet airborne since any deviation or friction in this arrangement can prompt delays in logistical flows and, by extension, reduce operational readiness.
Operational consequences are serious: dozens of F-16 airframes are grounded at any time awaiting repairs or parts, eroding the PAF’s ability to maintain effective patrols or respond quickly to crises.
[Acha, ab bari ati hai JF-17 ke]
The operational gap is now sparking a greater reliance on the JF-17 Thunder, a jointly developed Sino-Pakistani combat jet. However, the JF-17, powered by Russian RD-93 engines, is also struggling with its own maintenance and spare parts issues due to sanctions on Russia and reported technical limitations, leaving it an imperfect substitute.
Ultimately, Pakistan is now caught in a strategically vulnerable position, with the operational readiness of its premier fighter force diminished by aging technology, insufficient access to spare parts, and financial as well as geopolitical hurdles. Without a reliable solution to its F-16 engine woes—either through fresh US cooperation or a viable alternative—the PAF faces an untenable strain that limits its deterrence and the flexibility crucial to its national security posture.
----------
Now could someone explain that highlighted part in the 4th paragraph. This article was written/reported by a...Shalinder Wangu.
Ab koi ye pochay kay ees ke amma kay "spnay" reliable source hain?
Since Operation Swift Retort (which was...what...6 Years ago), India has been Grounding our Air Force through their esteem Media. And what have they achieved...?
7-0
Does that look like the score of an Air Force in peril?
Engine problems. Grounded.
Sounds all to familiar. And this chamaar part-time reporter from
needs to perhaps focus on the great LCA Tejas a bit more.But its okay, I suppose. If there is anything we've ALL learned is that Indian Media will go the distance to lie their ass off just for viewership & beat their own adversaries. Who can forget 10th May... Karachi Port Burning. Indian Navy in Lahore/Faisalabad/Multan. F-16 shot down & Pilot captured. PAK PM in some Hospital. (Field Marshal) Asim Munir arrested by Army. Baluchistan Free...
What's even more interesting is that their people actually still believe it. Challo, luggey raho...
Here are some words of a Viper Driver for the Indian Members.
"Ye salley bach gaey (because of the Ceasefire), warna hum nay jo een ki chittar parade karni thee..."
-PAF Viper Driver
MAXAR Technologies is all the rage currently in/on Indian Media. Perhaps they can see daily movement of what all is still operational and what isn't.
This choot of a journalist couldn't convince 1.6 Billion that a F-16 was shot down (pipe dream), so he went from Plan-B. Ground kar dou because of Engine problems.
@Windjammer @Irfan Baloch @Ali_Baba @alphapak @Areesh @ARMalik @Bilal @Dalit @DESERT FIGHTER @Distant_Observer @Falcon26 @HRK @Hakikat ve Hikmet @Khansaheeb @Liquidator @M. Sarmad @Maarkhoor @Master Chief @maverick @Mighty_Dragon_Strike @mythbuster @NA71 @Olympus81 @Panzerkiel @PK781 @pwfi @r3alist @SiliconByte (silicon0000) @SteppeWolff @StormBreaker @Starlord @TAC @TOPGUN @TopGun786 @UndercoverJIX @Vapnope @Vortex @Yasser76 @Zarvan
@Assault Rifle @CallSignMaverick @Raj-Hindustani @Guynextdoor @Vkdindian1 @Vikramaditya1 @Vishnu Hypersonic Cruise
if we consider recent history in context, chances of India losing a brand spanking new toy to PAF is quiet high, would USA want that kind of publicity? specially with their own BVR weapon?
Ali_Baba
VIP Member
OMG
Gangustan's News18 has reported...
Pakistan May Have To Phase Out US-Supplied F-16 Fighter Aircraft Due To Engine Issues
Reported By : Shalinder Wangu CNN-News18
Edited By: Apoorva Misra
August 02, 2025
Over the last three years, dozens of F-16’s engines have been rejected, primarily due to technical faults, wear from years of service, and a crippling shortage of spare parts
Pakistan may have to gradually phase out the US-supplied F-16 fighter aircraft—once considered the pride of Pakistani Air Force.
Pakistani F-16s are grappling with serious crises, which means in the coming years, the Pakistan Air Force will be forced to ground its entire fleet.
News18 has reliably learnt that Pakistan’s Air Force is confronting a substantial operational strain due to persistent engine reliability issues affecting its aging F-16 fleet.
The F-16s, long regarded as the backbone of the PAF’s aerial capability, depend on Pratt & Whitney F100 engines—specifically the F100-PW-200 and the F100-PW-229. Over the last three years, dozens of these engines have been rejected, primarily due to technical faults, wear from years of service, and a crippling shortage of spare parts.
The reliability crisis is compounded by the United States’ strict export controls governing the sale and supply of OEM spare parts. Recent financial difficulties have led to delayed or suspended payments owed to the US Foreign Military Sales programme, which, in turn, has halted the delivery of critical engine components and maintenance kits to Pakistan. This has pushed Pakistan’s only advanced, all-weather multirole fighter jets towards potential grounding and limited their availability for operational deployment—a severe blow to national air defence.
The core of the issue lies not only in the advanced age and wear of Pakistan’s F-16s, but also the inflexible restrictions imposed by the US, both in terms of monitoring their use and in strictly regulating the flow of replacement parts. Under the most recent US-Pakistan agreement, the F-16s are subject to close American oversight, permitted to operate only from designated bases and explicitly restricted in their role. This further aggravates the challenge of keeping the fleet airborne since any deviation or friction in this arrangement can prompt delays in logistical flows and, by extension, reduce operational readiness.
Operational consequences are serious: dozens of F-16 airframes are grounded at any time awaiting repairs or parts, eroding the PAF’s ability to maintain effective patrols or respond quickly to crises.
[Acha, ab bari ati hai JF-17 ke]
The operational gap is now sparking a greater reliance on the JF-17 Thunder, a jointly developed Sino-Pakistani combat jet. However, the JF-17, powered by Russian RD-93 engines, is also struggling with its own maintenance and spare parts issues due to sanctions on Russia and reported technical limitations, leaving it an imperfect substitute.
Ultimately, Pakistan is now caught in a strategically vulnerable position, with the operational readiness of its premier fighter force diminished by aging technology, insufficient access to spare parts, and financial as well as geopolitical hurdles. Without a reliable solution to its F-16 engine woes—either through fresh US cooperation or a viable alternative—the PAF faces an untenable strain that limits its deterrence and the flexibility crucial to its national security posture.
----------
Now could someone explain that highlighted part in the 4th paragraph. This article was written/reported by a...Shalinder Wangu.
Ab koi ye pochay kay ees ke amma kay "spnay" reliable source hain?
Since Operation Swift Retort (which was...what...6 Years ago), India has been Grounding our Air Force through their esteem Media. And what have they achieved...?
7-0
Does that look like the score of an Air Force in peril?
Engine problems. Grounded.
Sounds all to familiar. And this chamaar part-time reporter from View attachment 138671 needs to perhaps focus on the great LCA Tejas a bit more.
But its okay, I suppose. If there is anything we've ALL learned is that Indian Media will go the distance to lie their ass off just for viewership & beat their own adversaries. Who can forget 10th May... Karachi Port Burning. Indian Navy in Lahore/Faisalabad/Multan. F-16 shot down & Pilot captured. PAK PM in some Hospital. (Field Marshal) Asim Munir arrested by Army. Baluchistan Free...
What's even more interesting is that their people actually still believe it. Challo, luggey raho...
Here are some words of a Viper Driver for the Indian Members.
"Ye salley bach gaey (because of the Ceasefire), warna hum nay jo een ki chittar parade karni thee..."
-PAF Viper Driver
MAXAR Technologies is all the rage currently in/on Indian Media. Perhaps they can see daily movement of what all is still operational and what isn't.
This choot of a journalist couldn't convince 1.6 Billion that a F-16 was shot down (pipe dream), so he went from Plan-B. Ground kar dou because of Engine problems.
@Windjammer @Irfan Baloch @Ali_Baba @alphapak @Areesh @ARMalik @Bilal @Dalit @DESERT FIGHTER @Distant_Observer @Falcon26 @HRK @Hakikat ve Hikmet @Khansaheeb @Liquidator @M. Sarmad @Maarkhoor @Master Chief @maverick @Mighty_Dragon_Strike @mythbuster @NA71 @Olympus81 @Panzerkiel @PK781 @pwfi @r3alist @SiliconByte (silicon0000) @SteppeWolff @StormBreaker @Starlord @TAC @TOPGUN @TopGun786 @UndercoverJIX @Vapnope @Vortex @Yasser76 @Zarvan
@Assault Rifle @CallSignMaverick @Raj-Hindustani @Guynextdoor @Vkdindian1 @Vikramaditya1 @Vishnu Hypersonic Cruise
To me, sounds like f16 upgrades and Indians are upset about it and these articles are their way of coping…
maverick
Trusted Member
OMG
Gangustan's News18 has reported...
Pakistan May Have To Phase Out US-Supplied F-16 Fighter Aircraft Due To Engine Issues
Reported By : Shalinder Wangu CNN-News18
Edited By: Apoorva Misra
August 02, 2025
Over the last three years, dozens of F-16’s engines have been rejected, primarily due to technical faults, wear from years of service, and a crippling shortage of spare parts
Pakistan may have to gradually phase out the US-supplied F-16 fighter aircraft—once considered the pride of Pakistani Air Force.
Pakistani F-16s are grappling with serious crises, which means in the coming years, the Pakistan Air Force will be forced to ground its entire fleet.
News18 has reliably learnt that Pakistan’s Air Force is confronting a substantial operational strain due to persistent engine reliability issues affecting its aging F-16 fleet.
The F-16s, long regarded as the backbone of the PAF’s aerial capability, depend on Pratt & Whitney F100 engines—specifically the F100-PW-200 and the F100-PW-229. Over the last three years, dozens of these engines have been rejected, primarily due to technical faults, wear from years of service, and a crippling shortage of spare parts.
The reliability crisis is compounded by the United States’ strict export controls governing the sale and supply of OEM spare parts. Recent financial difficulties have led to delayed or suspended payments owed to the US Foreign Military Sales programme, which, in turn, has halted the delivery of critical engine components and maintenance kits to Pakistan. This has pushed Pakistan’s only advanced, all-weather multirole fighter jets towards potential grounding and limited their availability for operational deployment—a severe blow to national air defence.
The core of the issue lies not only in the advanced age and wear of Pakistan’s F-16s, but also the inflexible restrictions imposed by the US, both in terms of monitoring their use and in strictly regulating the flow of replacement parts. Under the most recent US-Pakistan agreement, the F-16s are subject to close American oversight, permitted to operate only from designated bases and explicitly restricted in their role. This further aggravates the challenge of keeping the fleet airborne since any deviation or friction in this arrangement can prompt delays in logistical flows and, by extension, reduce operational readiness.
Operational consequences are serious: dozens of F-16 airframes are grounded at any time awaiting repairs or parts, eroding the PAF’s ability to maintain effective patrols or respond quickly to crises.
[Acha, ab bari ati hai JF-17 ke]
The operational gap is now sparking a greater reliance on the JF-17 Thunder, a jointly developed Sino-Pakistani combat jet. However, the JF-17, powered by Russian RD-93 engines, is also struggling with its own maintenance and spare parts issues due to sanctions on Russia and reported technical limitations, leaving it an imperfect substitute.
Ultimately, Pakistan is now caught in a strategically vulnerable position, with the operational readiness of its premier fighter force diminished by aging technology, insufficient access to spare parts, and financial as well as geopolitical hurdles. Without a reliable solution to its F-16 engine woes—either through fresh US cooperation or a viable alternative—the PAF faces an untenable strain that limits its deterrence and the flexibility crucial to its national security posture.
----------
Now could someone explain that highlighted part in the 4th paragraph. This article was written/reported by a...Shalinder Wangu.
Ab koi ye pochay kay ees ke amma kay "spnay" reliable source hain?
Since Operation Swift Retort (which was...what...6 Years ago), India has been Grounding our Air Force through their esteem Media. And what have they achieved...?
7-0
Does that look like the score of an Air Force in peril?
Engine problems. Grounded.
Sounds all to familiar. And this chamaar part-time reporter from View attachment 138671 needs to perhaps focus on the great LCA Tejas a bit more.
But its okay, I suppose. If there is anything we've ALL learned is that Indian Media will go the distance to lie their ass off just for viewership & beat their own adversaries. Who can forget 10th May... Karachi Port Burning. Indian Navy in Lahore/Faisalabad/Multan. F-16 shot down & Pilot captured. PAK PM in some Hospital. (Field Marshal) Asim Munir arrested by Army. Baluchistan Free...
What's even more interesting is that their people actually still believe it. Challo, luggey raho...
Here are some words of a Viper Driver for the Indian Members.
"Ye salley bach gaey (because of the Ceasefire), warna hum nay jo een ki chittar parade karni thee..."
-PAF Viper Driver
MAXAR Technologies is all the rage currently in/on Indian Media. Perhaps they can see daily movement of what all is still operational and what isn't.
This choot of a journalist couldn't convince 1.6 Billion that a F-16 was shot down (pipe dream), so he went from Plan-B. Ground kar dou because of Engine problems.
@Windjammer @Irfan Baloch @Ali_Baba @alphapak @Areesh @ARMalik @Bilal @Dalit @DESERT FIGHTER @Distant_Observer @Falcon26 @HRK @Hakikat ve Hikmet @Khansaheeb @Liquidator @M. Sarmad @Maarkhoor @Master Chief @maverick @Mighty_Dragon_Strike @mythbuster @NA71 @Olympus81 @Panzerkiel @PK781 @pwfi @r3alist @SiliconByte (silicon0000) @SteppeWolff @StormBreaker @Starlord @TAC @TOPGUN @TopGun786 @UndercoverJIX @Vapnope @Vortex @Yasser76 @Zarvan
@Assault Rifle @CallSignMaverick @Raj-Hindustani @Guynextdoor @Vkdindian1 @Vikramaditya1 @Vishnu Hypersonic Cruise
Where did you get the technical data on number of faults. what the MTBF of PW engines, and how many faults were found in lets say 50 engines delivered, the number shared seems like 90% of more of engines ended up having issues.
pls substantiate more data points if possible. thanks for sharing
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