PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

And you just made that up.

AH, why you're in delusional, we have lot of Pics and videos that we burned your bases from IOK to Gujrat, keep living in your utopia and fantasy world lol

 

[Oscar]

You don't need to explain this. They have always believed that it was their Swedish AWACS that guided the PL-15. I think this statement is a joke. But they thought it was true. You're wasting your breath. Did you see what Michael said about this?

PL-15 was not guided by AEW - you are misreading the statement.

以下是将您提供的英文内容翻译成口语化普通话的版本，保持内容的准确性和自然流畅性：


这件事很可能是真的，但还没有完全确认。


Saab-2000预警机的数据会传到Link-17系统。
Link-17通过遍布巴基斯坦的地面节点，把信息传给歼-10战机。
Saab-2000几乎是实时、但带有一点延迟地，把目标信息传给歼-10，通过Link-17。
它起初用被动模式释放雷达，到了最后阶段切换成主动模式，来提供更准确的情况画面，之后就交给PL-15导弹的雷达来控制。
PL-15导弹的制导过程是三个步骤。


可能来说，确实如果用中国直接的预警机来指挥远程导弹会更好，但就巴基斯坦目前的需求来说，这个网络已经足够用了。


如果您需要，更口语化或者更正式的版本我也可以帮您调整。

 

[Oscar]

And you just made that up.

IAF not opposing PAF or that IAF made a minor mistake.
Minor - lol
What a pathetic excuse of fanboy calls losing multi million dollar jets minor.

 

[RajaBaja]

China will treat the J-35 like the United States treats the F-16, not the J-10.

In fact, considering that the 6G fighter has already been tested, the J-35 will enter the PLAAF quickly and in large numbers in the short term(Because the mid-2030s will be the time when 6G fighter jets begin to enter the PLAAF), just like the F-16 entered the US Air Force. Then, the J-35 will also begin to focus on the international market like the F-16.

For the J-10C, if there are no orders from other countries, its production line will be closed or sold.

If Pakistan wants to continue upgrading the J-10, I suggest that the PAF purchase the entire J-10C production line (it would certainly be cheaper to buy it now) and then work with the CAC to upgrade it using China's continuously updated subsystems.

China's needs are heavy aircrafts, J-10C doesn't have a future in Chinese military. The numbers already in service will remain for the next 15-20 years while J-35 and J-20's will be acquired in large numbers towards the target of 4000 active aircrafts.

I've favored since 2020 that Pakistan acquire the J-10C production line because it would serve Pakistan very well capability wise and since China has already built it so much, economies of scale is there and price could be very decent.

However, since May 2025, I think Pakistan's requirements have also changed. The Indians are mass deploying long range S-400 right on our border that cover 60-70% of our airspace.

Pakistan's needs are now like China's, in terms of high tech jets. We need to bring in either J-35 like Stealth, or, bring / build low observable jets under PFX, or, do both to cost control. JF-17 and J-10C's won't cut it anymore. What we have is good, but future goes to stealth and low radar detection. It's useless to continue to invest in airframes that are easy targets even while inside Pakistani airspace.

 

[RajaBaja]

Pakistan's military is exceptional, especially its world-class air force. However, we must also recognize that Pakistan suffers from significant geographical disadvantages, with long borders with hostile countries and a lack of depth.

This is particularly true in northern Pakistan, where Islamabad and Rawalpindi are too close to the front lines. Worst of all, Pakistan only has mountainous terrain in Pakistan-controlled Kashmir to deploy defenses; the rest of the country is an indefensible plain.

A modern army with ammunition and sufficient fuel can sustain a first-wave assault for seven days. Therefore, if Pakistan loses the Siachen Glacier, it could face the risk of total collapse or even national extinction.

While Pakistan possesses considerable military strength, it must remain vigilant against its challenging geopolitical environment.

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When / IF these territorial lines are about to be breached, it won't be a conventional war anymore.

 

[Scorpio]

What Pakistan most urgently needs is a heavy-strike platform like the J-16. No country can successfully defend against a saturation missile attack. Given the limited number of HQ9/16s, Pakistan can only choose which targets to defend. The true solution to the BrahMos problem is to employ heavy-strike platforms for cross-border strikes, as Israel does.

First PAF have no valuable options for heavy Jet .. yet

J16 is really good platform are not for export plus too expensive to induct and maintain..

Then other options is Russian Su35 .. not practical for PAF .. money is big issue as no loans .. secondly supply chain of Russian is not reliable..

F15 to expensive and not on table as well...

EFT again expensive option.. out of PAF budget ..

 

[RajaBaja]

Say hello to Chinese rocket force, now also in possession of hypersonic ballistic missiles.

Rocket force is used for Rockets. If Rocket force was the answer to American, Japanese, South Korean, Philippines, Australia and India based aircrafts, China will be just making rockets / missiles in thousands, instead of building fighter jets at insane speed. Fighter jets are needed. It seems as us Pakistanis don't understand the warfare requirements because a few others have made similar comments like "China, US won't fight", "build missiles", etc. When what China is doing, is what's needed, fielding of near 4000 jets, with majority stealth to offset a huge disparity with the competition coming from 5 nations!

Laser and direct energy weapons will render missiles useless to a majority of degree, and are much cheaper to deploy vs. today's interceptors. Our Z-10ME helos have direct energy IR counter measures. So imagine how much work is being done in that space to render missiles useless.

First PAF have no valuable options for heavy Jet .. yet

J16 is really good platform are not for export plus too expensive to induct and maintain..

Then other options is Russian Su35 .. not practical for PAF .. money is big issue as no loans .. secondly supply chain of Russian is not reliable..

F15 to expensive and not on table as well...

EFT again expensive option.. out of PAF budget ..

We don't need J-16's. Our issue is not fighter jets, our issue is LAND, lack of depth, etc. Hopefully, we'll strike an agreement with Iran where during war, may be we can park some assets inside Iran as need be?

Secondly, for jets, we need two things:

1: Jets in large enough numbers, with stealth or low radar observability, carrying good numbers of BVR's with multi-engagement capability with or without AWACS cover. That's 6-8 BVR's per each jet.

2: Mass deployment of SAMS in layers starting from near Indian borders, just like what India is doing. So that we can start to take out missiles right at the entrance of Pakistani airspace, and can target Indian jets deep inside India. We need a NASAM like solution, I thought our FAAZ 2 BVR was the answer. Not sure where it is at. But locally mass produced, it's a good option.

3: Our fire control radars need capacity to guide large number of missiles to deal with large incoming silos. So like each radar should be able to handle near 50+ missiles.

 

[Scorpio]

Rocket force is used for Rockets. If Rocket force was the answer to American, Japanese, South Korean, Philippines, Australia and India based aircrafts, China will be just making rockets / missiles in thousands, instead of building fighter jets at insane speed. Fighter jets are needed. It seems as us Pakistanis don't understand the warfare requirements because a few others have made similar comments like "China, US won't fight", "build missiles", etc. When what China is doing, is what's needed, fielding of near 4000 jets, with majority stealth to offset a huge disparity with the competition coming from 5 nations!

Laser and direct energy weapons will render missiles useless to a majority of degree, and are much cheaper to deploy vs. today's interceptors. Our Z-10ME helos have direct energy IR counter measures. So imagine how much work is being done in that space to render missiles useless.



We don't need J-16's. Our issue is not fighter jets, our issue is LAND, lack of depth, etc. Hopefully, we'll strike an agreement with Iran where during war, may be we can park some assets inside Iran as need be?

Secondly, for jets, we need two things:

1: Jets in large enough numbers, with stealth or low radar observability, carrying good numbers of BVR's with multi-engagement capability with or without AWACS cover. That's 6-8 BVR's per each jet.

2: Mass deployment of SAMS in layers starting from near Indian borders, just like what India is doing. So that we can start to take out missiles right at the entrance of Pakistani airspace, and can target Indian jets deep inside India. We need a NASAM like solution, I thought our FAAZ 2 BVR was the answer. Not sure where it is at. But locally mass produced, it's a good option.

3: Our fire control radars need capacity to guide large number of missiles to deal with large incoming silos. So like each radar should be able to handle near 50+ missiles.

Agreed with your points ... Specially numbers metter alot ...

Major problem we have is funds .. all mentioned arrangements need Money .. which we lack ..

 

[Pogic]

Interesting conversation I came across on another platform. Wondering if there is any truth to this? It does seem to conflict a lot with past information regarding J-10 purchase and PAF doctrine

 

[RajaBaja]

First PAF have no valuable options for heavy Jet .. yet

J16 is really good platform are not for export plus too expensive to induct and maintain..

Then other options is Russian Su35 .. not practical for PAF .. money is big issue as no loans .. secondly supply chain of Russian is not reliable..

F15 to expensive and not on table as well...

EFT again expensive option.. out of PAF budget ..

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Interesting conversation I came across on another platform. Wondering if there is any truth to this? It does seem to conflict a lot with past information regarding J-10 purchase and PAF doctrine

Many things in this discussion are true.
- We've been historically a USAF trained AF. Back in the F-86 days and beyond, it was great. However, we've been to Redflag once or twice in like 10 years. You got to see the Netcentric warfare. But you can't really build your own tactics around it because Pakistan didn't have all those parts included in it. Americans still keep many things classified as their weapon systems are different than what they sell to the world.

- PLAAF is rather a "new" airforce. Meaning, their tactics and training is built from J-10C to J-11B to J-16 and Stealth in mind with BVR and Netcentric as their core focus. Exercises, and openness from China to share tactics, equipment, weapons and repeated exercise allowed PAF to learn the latest tech, capability and functions that it than adopted in it's war fighting doctrine. It essentially "built" that net centric environment that it learned in the Red Flag and later in Shaheen series of exercises with China.

J-10C's were needed to counter Rafale's. I am sure PAF's new tactics ensure they will fit in like we saw in May 2025.

 

[Yasser76]

Many things in this discussion are true.
- We've been historically a USAF trained AF. Back in the F-86 days and beyond, it was great. However, we've been to Redflag once or twice in like 10 years. You got to see the Netcentric warfare. But you can't really build your own tactics around it because Pakistan didn't have all those parts included in it. Americans still keep many things classified as their weapon systems are different than what they sell to the world.

- PLAAF is rather a "new" airforce. Meaning, their tactics and training is built from J-10C to J-11B to J-16 and Stealth in mind with BVR and Netcentric as their core focus. Exercises, and openness from China to share tactics, equipment, weapons and repeated exercise allowed PAF to learn the latest tech, capability and functions that it than adopted in it's war fighting doctrine. It essentially "built" that net centric environment that it learned in the Red Flag and later in Shaheen series of exercises with China.

J-10C's were needed to counter Rafale's. I am sure PAF's new tactics ensure they will fit in like we saw in May 2025.

So true, 70s, 80s, 90s PLAAF was in awe of PAF, its training and aircraft.

Now other way round.....

 

[LX1111]

PAF will never limits any successful platform to one squadron level...

See PAF history...

Pakistan certainly buy more J-10Cs, but my point is Pakistan should focus on the next conflict
India will not be stupid enough to send a plane 100km away to border
They will choose to launch BrahMos from far away.Pakistan's air defense is relatively weak,So AWACS is needed to help Pakistan in air defense operations

 

[LX1111]

US has the luxury to deploy aircrafts and create an AWACS / OTH radar layer hundreds or even thousands of miles away from it's land, cover any enemy's portion of airspace and relay concerned object's data and coordinates back to its entire network, including interceptor SEALs (Sea, Land, Air) within seconds. So there is warning time to try to hit every incoming object with at least 3 layers of AD's and multiple shots per every layer.

In Pakistan - India's case, we don't have that luxury. The warning time to impact is just a few seconds for high velocity weapons like Brahmos or some other hypersonic object.

What we really need is an OTH setup. For that, HQ-19 and a couple of radar satellites will do the job. I believe the radar satellite we just launched, does have a SAR imaging system. HQ-19 needs to come in.

E2D reaches $400 million in international market,I think KJ500 will not exceed this number,Considering the relationship between China and Pakistan, maybe $250-300 million per aircraft.Pakistan can buy 3-4 KJ500s cost $1 billion
It can just fill the vacancy left by the retirement of ZDK-03.Because of Pakistan's excellent performance on May 7, I think China is willing to provide low-interest loans.

 

[redgriffin]

Courtesy of PAF.

The last kill is wrong. A wrong platform-weapon combo. Whoever made this, get it right.

 

[Ali_Baba]

E2D reaches $400 million in international market,I think KJ500 will not exceed this number,Considering the relationship between China and Pakistan, maybe $250-300 million per aircraft.Pakistan can buy 3-4 KJ500s cost $1 billion
It can just fill the vacancy left by the retirement of ZDK-03.Because of Pakistan's excellent performance on May 7, I think China is willing to provide low-interest loans.

Buying the Erieye-ER radar set and putting that on top of a Saab 2000 is alot cheaper and equally as capable as the KJ500 and E2Ds by "many multiples".

However, I do wonder if/when Sweden will put up their prices given the good performance of the Erieye platform. France has recently bought into this platform as their AEW&C solution.