US to soon initiate Military support to Pakistan along with bi-lateral Trade growth, the Economist report

[maverik]

MRAP most probably for anti terrorism

 

[Trigger]

Good idea, so whole nation can eat grass, after spending every last penny and selling other national assets. Our most expensive, latest aircraft is J-10C and PAF is more than happy with it but still it got money only for 20 units. Perhaps (if economy thrived we will have 20 more by 2030) . We cannot afford F-15EX even in our dreams. Even if we had usd 100+ billion reserves, why would we go for F-15EX? We'd still have lot of other priorities for the country, build the nation with that money. Do you think 250 million people should do suicide ?? as you plan to sell everything and buy F-15ex lol.

you are delusional if you think that money will be spend in any meaningful way in this shithole. give it 4-6 years and we would be hearing about a corruption case in oil/mineral extraction that won't be resolved ever. all i am saying is that if paf could get more us system in any way than it wouldn't be a bad thing if they get f-15ex and also get there f-16 upgraded to f-16viper because the us is still leagues ahead of china in terms of fighter jets

 

[Distant_Observer]

There is both tangible and intangible ways(Trump boasting points) that Pakistan can currently contribute to the US relationship for now. But it is now sustainable unless a suitable Trump successor takes office who maintains the relationship. Anything else, democrats or even neo-con is going to go back to cold shoulder and embracing India fully.

US policy is decided by their deep state. Ties were warming under Biden but they didn't want to offend India and offered them an opportunity to pull more into line with their expectations of a "strategic ally" and a Quad member.

Thankfully they didn't. US is no longer compelled to appease India. Big money is coming to Pakistan, I am now even more sure of it.

 

[RajaBaja]

Thats a client benefactor relationship, and has nothing to do with what exactly happened with Iran and the US.



they aren't revealing strategic plans on attacks they are planning and how.

I know you are one of the mods, but I don't think you are caught up on this subject or has enough knowledge. So if you don't know, ask some who might know?

The US didn't ask from a client-benefactor relationship. There was a time when that used to happen over the phone. No need to meet. We got into WOT over a phone call. That was a different time.

The most powerful man, the President of the US doesn't bring someone in for lunch for a "client" relationship. US and Pakistan are in a strategic partnership now. After China , we are going to be the ONLY other supplier in the future to ensure US is supplied with Rare Earth Minerals so the US can run it's electronics industry.

To expand people to people relationships, our Senate and House's large delegation is headed to the US for a 7 day visit.

Lastly, we are mediating between Iranians and the US/Israel/Saudia. You don't get to do that unless you are in a strategic place.

If you still have questions, ask. Don't make statements that are inaccurate.

 

[Distant_Observer]

I know you are one of the mods, but I don't think you are caught up on this subject or has enough knowledge. So if you don't know, ask some who might know?

The US didn't ask from a client-benefactor relationship. There was a time when that used to happen over the phone. No need to meet. We got into WOT over a phone call. That was a different time.

The most powerful man, the President of the US doesn't bring someone in for lunch for a "client" relationship. US and Pakistan are in a strategic partnership now. After China , we are going to be the ONLY other supplier in the future to ensure US is supplied with Rare Earth Minerals so the US can run it's electronics industry.

To expand people to people relationships, our Senate and House's large delegation is headed to the US for an 7 day visit.

Lastly, we are mediating between Iranians and the US/Israel/Saudia. You don't get to do that unless you are in a strategic place.

If you still have questions, ask. Don't make statements that are inaccurate.

People will need to readjust to the new normal.

 

[hyperman]

I know you are one of the mods, but I don't think you are caught up on this subject or has enough knowledge. So if you don't know, ask some who might know?

The US didn't ask from a client-benefactor relationship. There was a time when that used to happen over the phone. No need to meet. We got into WOT over a phone call. That was a different time.

The most powerful man, the President of the US doesn't bring someone in for lunch for a "client" relationship. US and Pakistan are in a strategic partnership now. After China , we are going to be the ONLY other supplier in the future to ensure US is supplied with Rare Earth Minerals so the US can run it's electronics industry.

To expand people to people relationships, our Senate and House's large delegation is headed to the US for an 7 day visit.

Lastly, we are mediating between Iranians and the US/Israel/Saudia. You don't get to do that unless you are in a strategic place.

If you still have questions, ask. Don't make statements that are inaccurate.

I'm not making inaccurate statements, you have an overinflated understanding on the US Pakistan dynamics. Pakistan is no "mediating" anything. Do you know what a mediator does? acts as a referee between two parties, and is usually someone that decides what would be a reasonable compromise. When has the US had a "mediator" in any conflict?

Trump is doing "rare earth" deals with half the world right now, Pakistan is not unique in this aspect, many of these "rare earths" btw are not all that rare, the main issue is processing, which china has a monopoly over.

 

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[RajaBaja]

I'm not making inaccurate statements, you have an overinflated understanding on the US Pakistan dynamics. Pakistan is no "mediating" anything. Do you know what a mediator does? acts as a referee between two parties, and is usually someone that decides what would be a reasonable compromise. When has the US had a "mediator" in any conflict?

Trump is doing "rare earth" deals with half the world right now, Pakistan is not unique in this aspect, many of these "rare earths" btw are not all that rare, the main issue is processing, which china has a monopoly over.

You have NO clue as to what the real situation is. Nor am I going to give you details. Continue to work on the website. You are doing a good job. Don't worry about these complex issues.

 

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We have a huge delegation of our Parliamentarians going to the US. US Congress and Senate wants to do work in sessions for 7 day to create awareness between both sides to build permanent relationships between the two countries.

After Saudia, Iran, China, now Sri Lanka also created a song in respect of Pakistan. One thing is obvious in comments, everyone dislikes India.

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[hyperman]

You have NO clue as to what the real situation is. Nor am I going to give you my intro. Continue to work on the website. You are doing a good job. Don't worry about these complex issues.

No I do have a clue, I live here in the US, and I also follow Pakistani politics, its delusional thinking that someone mediates between the US and any other country. You are misjudging the relationship, and overinflating the factor of Pakistan, the other guy was talking as if the Iran Israel war stopped b/c of Pakistan and you are under the impression that b/c Trump said some abstract thing, somehow Pakistan was a factor on decide what the US can or can't attack in Iran, or that somehow they let pakistan know before about plans to bomb Iran and that you "know the inside story also". Its nonsense to say the least.

The stuff you and the other guy is saying is the Pakistan equivalent of the Supa Powa 2020 stuff the Indian BS themselves over.

 

[RajaBaja]

No I do have a clue, I live here in the US, and I also follow Pakistani politics, its delusional thinking that someone mediates between the US and any other country. You are misjudging the relationship, and overinflating the factor of Pakistan, the other guy was talking as if the Iran Israel war stopped b/c of Pakistan and you are under the impression that b/c Trump said some abstract thing, somehow Pakistan was a factor on decide what the US can or can't attack in Iran, or that somehow they let pakistan know before about plans to bomb Iran and that you "know the inside story also". Its nonsense to say the least.

The stuff you and the other guy is saying is the Pakistan equivalent of the Supa Powa 2020 stuff the Indian BS themselves over.

did you hear me say Iran war stopped because of Pakistan? No, that was never the case.

For rest of the issues, you may live in the US, so what? 340 million people live there. Are they all aware about what the US administration is doing about certain relationships? No, 90% population in the US is clueless and watches CNN and FOX for their respective view. They let their elected law makers do the work.

That is why I said, focus on your work. Don't worry about these issues.

 

[KingQamaR]

US is desperately interfering in our China-Pak solid relationships. The benefits of what China has to offer is much better than what the USA brings to the table in any scenario.. Washington is running scared with us and lots of U-turns on lately on Pakistan. Is it down to Pakistanis & Indian clash out come or Pakistans open support for Iran against Israel. Don’t know. We also have to consider that the USA is with India of China Phobia which isn't in the best interest of Pakistan. Hopefully we can get some kind of a good trade deal But keep well away from purchasing American weapons.

 

[RajaBaja]

US is desperately interfering in our China-Pak solid relationships. The benefits of what China has to offer is much better than what the USA brings to the table in any scenario.. Washington is running scared with us and lots of U-turns on lately on Pakistan. Is it down to Pakistanis & Indian clash or Pakistans open support for Iran against Israel. Don’t know. We also have to consider that the USA is with India of China Phobia which isn't in the best interest of Pakistan. Hopefully we can get some kind of a good trade deal But keep well away from purchasing American weapons.

No one is replacing China. Our national security and strategic interests lie with China from a defense's standpoint. However, USA is our largest export market. We make significant money from their market.

If we are forming a business and trade relationship where just like they did to India, they'll allow us more access to their market, help us expand trade beyond what's there, and invest billions into our infrastructure, create thousands of AI and Crypto jobs here, there is no reason to say no.

Countries don't live in a box with one nation as their partner. With China, it's national security and defense relations. With US, its trade that can literally change our future prospects from an economic standpoint. So we need to appreciate the relationship and get the best out of it for our interests.

 

[Distant_Observer]

US is desperately interfering in our China-Pak solid relationships. The benefits of what China has to offer is much better than what the USA brings to the table in any scenario.. Washington is running scared with us and lots of U-turns on lately on Pakistan. Is it down to Pakistanis & Indian clash out come or Pakistans open support for Iran against Israel. Don’t know. We also have to consider that the USA is with India of China Phobia which isn't in the best interest of Pakistan. Hopefully we can get some kind of a good trade deal But keep well away from purchasing American weapons.

Trump has gone on record to say he wants good ties with China and he has no problem with them.

China and US are very large economies, they are in a symbiosis now.

Pakistan doesn't need weapons from US, it just wants an opportunity to trade. We don't need something that has a kill switch. Our supply is assured through 70 years of trust building and friendship with China. This is what you call a strategic alliance, organic and shaped over a long period of time.

 

[RafaleSlayer]

No I do have a clue, I live here in the US, and I also follow Pakistani politics, its delusional thinking that someone mediates between the US and any other country. You are misjudging the relationship, and overinflating the factor of Pakistan, the other guy was talking as if the Iran Israel war stopped b/c of Pakistan and you are under the impression that b/c Trump said some abstract thing, somehow Pakistan was a factor on decide what the US can or can't attack in Iran, or that somehow they let pakistan know before about plans to bomb Iran and that you "know the inside story also". Its nonsense to say the least.

The stuff you and the other guy is saying is the Pakistan equivalent of the Supa Powa 2020 stuff the Indian BS themselves over.

with the exception of Pakistan mediating between US?A and China and playing a role, however minor, in helping the make first contact during Nixon era.