US to soon initiate Military support to Pakistan along with bi-lateral Trade growth, the Economist report

Those who stand for nothing fall for everything. Pakistan has always had a clear policy and firm stand on every global conflict/issue unlike India, which never took a firm stance on any global issue. That reflects a very weak nation and leadership that can have no meaningful role in the global geo-politics. Heck their so called 56" PM brushed aside Chinese occupation of 3000 square Kilometers of their territory saying nothing happened. What a p*ssy.
 
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Not entirely accurate. Pakistan did have a role. Trump is very trusting of Pakistan. In face, I can say the original attack and the actual attack were two different attack plans. Attack intensity lowered due to Pakistan's request to negotiate with them per US demands.

:ROFLMAO: I noticed the "Anal" vs. "annals" issue. It cracked me up lol
You crack up very easy , cover up your ' Anal ' lest you want it to be cracked up .
 
You crack up very easy , cover up your ' Anal ' lest you want it to be cracked up .
:ROFLMAO: this has to be the weirdest post of my life to respond to. Cracking up again (meaning laughing out loud)
 
The Economist published a comprehensive report yesterday. It talks about Pakistan's growing relationship with US. Both sides are working on expanding trade ties and the US is working on initiating Military equipment delivery to Pakistan to strengthen its' force's capability. This list has Military gear like Night Vision, Sniper Equipment, F-16's upgrade, BVR missiles, and unconfirmed negotiation on Cobras too.

This report is now on Pakistani media. Watched it on Duniya and Dawn news. The report should propagate to other media in a day or so. The Report starts with:

Pakistan’s army chief, could hardly have wished for more. For almost two years, he had been under fire at home over his meddling in politics. Wracked by debt and insurgent violence, his country had been sidelined in geopolitics as America and other rich countries courted India, Pakistan’s arch-rival. And yet there he was, enjoying a private lunch with Donald Trump in the White House on June 18th, just over a month after Pakistan’s brief conflict with India. Then, at the end of July, came further snubs for India: branding it a “dead economy”, Mr Trump imposed tariffs of 25% while hailing a new trade deal with Pakistan.

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British weekly The Economist has paid a strong tribute to Pakistan’s Army Chief Field Marshal Syed Asim Munir, calling him the architect of a “diplomatic and strategic transformation” in the South Asian region.

A special article published on August 3, The Economist stated that Field Marshal Asim Munir is not only injecting new life into Pak-US relations but is also successfully maintaining balanced ties with China, the Middle East and Gulf countries.

The article pointed out that on June 18, Field Marshal Asim Munir held a private meeting with US President Donald Trump at the White House in Washington, which has been described as the beginning of a diplomatic shift in the region.

Immediately after the meeting, the US imposed a 25% tariff on India and declared it a “dead economy”, while announcing a trade deal with Pakistan and imposing a relatively lower 19% tariff.

According to The Economist, the United States is working seriously on restoring defence, counter-terrorism cooperation, and trade ties with Pakistan, signalling a major shift in American policy in South Asia, China, and the Middle East.

According to the journal, American policymakers are reassessing India’s subversive activities and its role in the region.

American officials have also openly acknowledged Pakistan’s operations against Daesh, and the United States is considering providing Pakistan with armoured vehicles, night vision devices and other defence hardware.

The Economist stated that global diplomats and investors are in direct contact with the field marshal, while President Trump’s inner circle is keenly interested in investing in Pakistan’s crypto and mining sectors.

The magazine further wrote that Field Marshal Asim Munir’s popularity significantly increased after the recent conflict with India.

Despite India’s provocative actions, he responded promptly and effectively without succumbing to pressure – a move that has established him as a strong and decisive leader both within Pakistan and on the global stage.

The Economist’s article is a clear indication that under the leadership of Field Marshal Asim Munir, Pakistan is no longer a pawn in geopolitical games but is emerging as an active and independent policy-making state on the global front.



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I would be most happy about the armored vehicles. We need our troops protected from the miscreants in the western provinces. I hope we can get a package of MRAPs with at least some (5-10%) with automated 30 mm systems.

The MAT-V came out in 2009. Perhaps some can be procured as excess defense articles or if new have to be procured; 2200 would cost about $1 billion in 2020 dollars. Not sure what the price would be now. Even a procurement of 300 (especially with the 30 mm chain gun) could operate as good scout vehicles in western as well as eastern regions, due to the great off road performance.

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Not entirely accurate. Pakistan did have a role. Trump is very trusting of Pakistan. In face, I can say the original attack and the actual attack were two different attack plans. Attack intensity lowered due to Pakistan's request to negotiate with them per US demands.

:ROFLMAO: I noticed the "Anal" vs. "annals" issue. It cracked me up lol

Man, I was responding to the guy making it seem like Pakistan said they were going to bomb Israel unless it stopped or something and how Pakistan is the big man on campus or something. This is what the guy said.

"Iran Israel war ended cause Pakistan took Iran under her umbrella... middle east , regardless of her petrol dollars, will follow Pakistan"

Thats just not reality. lol
 
Man, I was responding to the guy making it seem like Pakistan said they were going to bomb Israel unless it stopped or something and how Pakistan is the big man on campus or something. This is what the guy said.

"Iran Israel war ended cause Pakistan took Iran under her umbrella... middle east , regardless of her petrol dollars, will follow Pakistan"

Thats just not reality. lol

I agree. That's stretching Pakistan's influence way too much. We had no umbrella or pull on Israel. What we did say, when FM Munir met with Trump, and Trump explained this about our opinion post lunch that "They weren't happy about anything" referring to Iran situation. You can find it on youtube I'm sure, post that lunch.

So in there, Pakistan assured him that we can help negotiate and meet in the middle and address everyone's concerns. If the US wants to attack, don't cause massive loss of life. Just take out the plants that are causing this entire mess. And the US took that advise. The resulting Plan B attack was very targeted. So Pakistan has been playing the mediator. That's it.
 
I agree. That's stretching Pakistan's influence way too much. We had no umbrella or pull on Israel. What we did say, when FM Munir met with Trump, and Trump explained this about our opinion post lunch that "They weren't happy about anything" referring to Iran situation. You can find it on youtube I'm sure, post that lunch.

So in there, Pakistan assured him that we can help negotiate and meet in the middle and address everyone's concerns. If the US wants to attack, don't cause massive loss of life. Just take out the plants that are causing this entire mess. And the US took that advise. The resulting Plan B attack was very targeted. So Pakistan has been playing the mediator. That's it.

Pakistan was not negotiating what the US would hit in Iran, this is complete nonsense. Munir was in Washington for weapons sales and to nominate Trump for his Nobel Peace Prize racket that he is running. They aren't consulting Pakistan about what they are going to with with Iran.
 
Pakistan was not negotiating what the US would hit in Iran, this is complete nonsense. Munir was in Washington for weapons sales and to nominate Trump for his Nobel Peace Prize racket that he is running. They aren't consulting Pakistan about what they are going to with with Iran.

I think you are far off reality. The US asked Pakistan for bases to attack Iran from our soil like it was in WOT days. OF COURSE they shared some stuff with us how they want to attack. On that, we resisted, apologized and refused access. Then suggested alternatives and a way to get what the US wants without more damage to Iran. It's really that simple.

Listen to Trump's post lunch comments. I've watched those live and know the inside story also. And yes, Pakistan is playing mediator between the two and has a say in it. You want to believe in what you think is right, that's your call. It's a free country.
 
The US asked Pakistan for bases to attack Iran from our soil like it was in WOT days.

Thats a client benefactor relationship, and has nothing to do with what exactly happened with Iran and the US.

OF COURSE they shared some stuff with us how they want to attack.

they aren't revealing strategic plans on attacks they are planning and how.
 
Ok, I see your issue now, its one man. I obviously can't help you.

I can also tell that you've not been up the real ladder. Getting sh8 faced is part of the game. In fact, in the US and Europe, MORE business is closed in Bars, Golf Courses and on Yachts, than in their massive downtown high rises.

These people need to enjoy America, just bring Pakistan back large trade volumes and US investments. That does the work.
No, it isnt one man and I see your issue is also cultism instead of seeing the reality.
Ive been 3 feet from the highest rung in the ladder since I was 14 years old. Please dont try to give me useless one up arguments.
Do not try to talk to me about closing business, I work in Enterprise SaaS sales and have close more millions than any of these schmucks.
It's really pathetic this line of argument.

As far as getting shitfaced on parties and schmoozing- it is fine if you are drinking with US house members at a party or state department folks at a bar in DC and another thing if you are spending Pakistani tax payer money in a dive bar outside of Houston with no one but 45 year old divorced white ladies taking time out from 7/11. This is all most of these idiots do.

Now if you are someone who doesnt care about accountability and simply wants to parrot out "all is well" like a Bhaktora Indian - be my guest and don't quote me on nonsensical "value" of these individuals.
 
You are right but that was strictly for civilian side. Early some assistance in research reactors. That helped ZERO percent in our own weapon program. We took different approach then most nuclear weapon states. We didn't went for dedicated reactor at all.

By all means, US was against our nuclear weapon program, placed sanctions etc.
Certain dual knowledge was procured for Pakistan as well by such relationships.
So no - not restricted to civilian. Infact, partly due to the culture in Pk military(a high compliment considering same origins and existing problems) US trainers still rate many PK military units better than their Indian counterparts whom they consider arrogant and unwilling to learn.
 
I believe you've said what needs to be said about this reproach, if you will call it that. I've failed to see Pakistan capitalize on any window of opportunity over the last 30+ years. The last opening was Musharaff. He could have done wonders, but as a typical Pakistani, short-term gains are not much for the long run; this, too, shall be the same.

In a relationship, there is some sort of equivalent exchange, be it economic, etc. I do not see much that Pakistan can give, except the typical military-to-military; it's not going to have much benefit for the common person.
There is both tangible and intangible ways(Trump boasting points) that Pakistan can currently contribute to the US relationship for now. But it is now sustainable unless a suitable Trump successor takes office who maintains the relationship. Anything else, democrats or even neo-con is going to go back to cold shoulder and embracing India fully.
 
Wish they give us the f-15ex and f-16v upgrades without restrictions tho.

Good idea, so whole nation can eat grass, after spending every last penny and selling other national assets. Our most expensive, latest aircraft is J-10C and PAF is more than happy with it but still it got money only for 20 units. Perhaps (if economy thrived we will have 20 more by 2030) . We cannot afford F-15EX even in our dreams. Even if we had usd 100+ billion reserves, why would we go for F-15EX? We'd still have lot of other priorities for the country, build the nation with that money. Do you think 250 million people should do suicide ?? as you plan to sell everything and buy F-15ex lol.
 

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