US to soon initiate Military support to Pakistan along with bi-lateral Trade growth, the Economist report

[RajaBaja]

Trump has gone on record to say he wants good ties with China and he has no problem with them.

China and US are very large economies, they are in a symbiosis now.

Pakistan doesn't need weapons from US, it just wants an opportunity to trade. We don't need something that has a kill switch. Our supply is assured through 70 years of trust building and friendship with China.

Absolutely agreed. Trump is a smart man and he wants business and growth. So that's why he'll work with China. And that's why I am excited because Pakistan can grow so much with trade expansion with America. We have American weapons and we might get upgrades or even more. But our front line, critical assets will always be Chinese as our entire multi-domain network is based on Chinese assets.

So we should focus on growing our trade and strengthen our connections with the entire world, US is already our largest export partner and we can grow ten fold with them.

 

[Dalit]

Absolutely agreed. Trump is a smart man and he wants business and growth. So that's why he'll work with China. And that's why I am excited because Pakistan can grow so much with trade expansion with America. We have American weapons and we might get upgrades or even more. But our front line, critical assets will always be Chinese as our entire multi-domain network is based on Chinese assets.

So we should focus on growing our trade and strengthen our connections with the entire world, US is already our largest export partner and we can grow ten fold with them.

It is beautiful to see how Pakistan and China are suddenly scoring wins with Trump. LOL the cherry is India pissing off Trump. Just delicious.

 

[hyperman]

did you hear me say Iran war stopped because of Pakistan? No, that was never the case.

For rest of the issues, you may live in the US, so what? 340 million people live there. Are they all aware about what the US administration is doing about certain relationships? No, 90% population in the US is clueless and watches CNN and FOX for their respective view. They let their elected law makers do the work.

That is why I said, focus on your work. Don't worry about these issues.

You make it seems like Pakistan is significantly relevant in the Iran Israel dispute. Its just incorrect, the only thing Pakistan has done is act as a back channel to send messages to Iran from the US(as have other states, Oman for example). You flexing like "Pakistan is mediating" and "I know the inside story also", its just comical, people trying to act more important than they are, what Bajwa or Hafiz Sahab told your personally? lol "I know the inside story".

 

[hyperman]

with the exception of Pakistan mediating between US?A and China and playing a role, however minor, in helping the make first contact during Nixon era.

That was a completely seperate scenario, at that time, China has no other go between and Pakistan had good relations, so they helped in the backchannel, which is very different from "mediating". Mediating means something else, its when 2 parties in dispute sit at a table, and there is someone in the middle, and both sides make their case and the mediator offers a compromise, usually the mediator has some sort of power to pressure one side or the other if they are being stubborn. The US doesn't do mediators, b/c no one holds that type of leverage over it.

 

[PK781]

Things will only get better now for Pakistan, inshAllah.

We must use the opportunity to get our house in order, and further grow our economy and uplift ALL our people. Any equipment we can get for good prices is worth it, specially for healthcare, education, improvements, clean water, for our people. Access to clean water is a big problem our people face daily, urgent work needed in that regard.

We don't really need to buy fighter jets from us anymore, the J10C, and future J35 are good enough. Even our current fleet is enough to tackle india head-on. Obviously the military knows this and will be smart about the defensive procurements. Obviously its a sensitive topic and we all have our opinions, but they are just that. Pakistan will always do whatever is in its best interests.

Times are fast changing, and geopolitics shifts daily. Pakistan will always play its cards smartly and for its own strategic interests. The world is now respecting us as we refused to be bullied and gave a full punch to bully india and reduced their reputation to tatters, and the entire world is now realizing that.

Enjoy this my friends. it may be longterm or shortterm but reap its benefits and move on.

 

[RajaBaja]

In addition to the US building good relations with Pakistan, I guess everyone else openly wants to show respect to Pakistan also and highlight their relation. Below is an Azerbaijan song made to show their respect to Pakistan and Turkey. And below that is a song made by Sri Lanka showing its respect to Pakistan. I've already posted China, Turkey, Saudia and Iran's songs. One thing is common in ALL of these, they ALL dislike India and openly so that tells you how the world sees India!! Take 5 minutes out of your time and do listen, appreciate the artists by giving them a like.

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[FuturePAF]

I would be most happy about the armored vehicles. We need our troops protected from the miscreants in the western provinces. I hope we can get a package of MRAPs with at least some (5-10%) with automated 30 mm systems.

The MAT-V came out in 2009. Perhaps some can be procured as excess defense articles or if new have to be procured; 2200 would cost about $1 billion in 2020 dollars. Not sure what the price would be now. Even a procurement of 300 (especially with the 30 mm chain gun) could operate as good scout vehicles in western as well as eastern regions, due to the great off road performance.

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As a follow on to this post, I forgot something retired Pakistani military have mentioned Pakistan tried to procure before (aka is a requirement/ is desired), but wasn’t allowed to get at the time, (the UAE would not part with their chinooks, and I don’t think the situation has improved in that regard via a vi the UAE) that I think Pakistan should try to get now:

Excess defense article Chinooks. Pakistan tried in the 80s to get 18 chinooks. I think it’s time Pakistan add them back on its list of aircraft it seeks to procure, especially through EDA program, but IMHO, considering the expanded operations of the Pakistan Army Aviation, that number should at least be 50% higher (to account for the age of the airframes and increased geography that need to be covered). IMHO, even if each helicopter can be procured for $10-15 million, it would be a major capability improvement for the PA.

Here is one example of an EDA sale of the chinook back in 2016:

Since 2016, Greece has received more than $282 million worth of military equipment through the Excess Defense Articles (EDA) program, including 1,200 U.S. Army M-1117 armored security vehicles, 70 OH-58D Kiowa Warriors, 10 CH-47 Chinook helicopters, and four Mark V Special Operations Craft, and four Island Class Patrol Boats.

Technical Difficulties

 

[Yasser76]

As a follow on to this post, I forgot something retired Pakistani military have mentioned Pakistan tried to procure before (aka is a requirement/ is desired), but wasn’t allowed to get at the time, (the UAE would not part with their chinooks, and I don’t think the situation has improved in that regard via a vi the UAE) that I think Pakistan should try to get now:

Excess defense article Chinooks. Pakistan tried in the 80s to get 18 chinooks. I think it’s time Pakistan add them back on its list of aircraft it seeks to procure, especially through EDA program, but IMHO, considering the expanded operations of the Pakistan Army Aviation, that number should at least be 50% higher (to account for the age of the airframes and increased geography that need to be covered). IMHO, even if each helicopter can be procured for $10-15 million, it would be a major capability improvement for the PA.

Here is one example of an EDA sale of the chinook back in 2016:

Technical Difficulties

Chinooks and more 412s would be great!

 

[FuturePAF]

Chinooks and more 412s would be great!

I would hope 24 Chinook CH-47F and 72 412s to form a robust air assault force.

Furthermore, with the Chinooks, it can really help the PA move artillery (aka affordable and sustainable firepower) to the battlefield to deal with a mass of miscreants (or Indian soldiers) in high altitude and hard to reach areas.

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[RajaBaja]

As a follow on to this post, I forgot something retired Pakistani military have mentioned Pakistan tried to procure before (aka is a requirement/ is desired), but wasn’t allowed to get at the time, (the UAE would not part with their chinooks, and I don’t think the situation has improved in that regard via a vi the UAE) that I think Pakistan should try to get now:

Excess defense article Chinooks. Pakistan tried in the 80s to get 18 chinooks. I think it’s time Pakistan add them back on its list of aircraft it seeks to procure, especially through EDA program, but IMHO, considering the expanded operations of the Pakistan Army Aviation, that number should at least be 50% higher (to account for the age of the airframes and increased geography that need to be covered). IMHO, even if each helicopter can be procured for $10-15 million, it would be a major capability improvement for the PA.

Here is one example of an EDA sale of the chinook back in 2016:

Technical Difficulties

Instead of acquiring yet one more super old platform, worn out by use and thus going into EDA, why don't we put some more money towards it and get Z-18 or Z-20's? Brand new, no maintenance for some years to come, advance avionics. Current tech.

If it makes sense, we can acquire a local assembly license production. A smaller cabin can be built for commercial consumers in Pakistan while the standard one's for military use?

 

[RafaleSlayer]

MRAP most probably for anti terrorism

If we are still not able to make armored vehicles in Pakistan by now (having made tanks and other armored vehicles in house), then we don't deserve them.

 

[Yasser76]

I would hope 24 Chinook CH-47F and 72 412s to form a robust air assault force.

Furthermore, with the Chinooks, it can really help the PA move artillery (aka affordable and sustainable firepower) to the battlefield to deal with a mass of miscreants (or Indian soldiers) in high altitude and hard to reach areas.

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Air Assault against a peer is very very hard and expensive and requires air superiority

Only been successful when the other sides air force has been knocked out

 

[FuturePAF]

Air Assault against a peer is very very hard and expensive and requires air superiority

Only been successful when the other sides air force has been knocked out

In the high mountains, being able to move an artillery battery could be decisive if the enemy makes a large push. A few well place guns can really hold back a larger force or immobilize logistics on a strategic route. Helicopters can help artillery pieces move from place to place, especially when air space is contested and you don’t have the luxury of good roads or air superiority, to allow one to take their time.

Agreed, true air assault is difficult, especially without full air superiority.

 

[Yasser76]

In the high mountains, being able to move an artillery battery could be decisive if the enemy makes a large push. A few well place guns can really hold back a larger force or immobilize logistics on a strategic route. Helicopters can help artillery pieces move from place to place, especially when air space is contested and you don’t have the luxury of good roads or air superiority, to allow one to take their time.

Agreed, true air assault is difficult, especially without full air superiority.

Yes, not arguing about the utility, it can be decisive in battle, but in contested air space we are putting pilots and soldiers at high risk

 

[FuturePAF]

Yes, not arguing about the utility, it can be decisive in battle, but in contested air space we are putting pilots and soldiers at high risk

Outside of combat, we have major floods regularly. The chinook can carry fully capable RHIB to help in rescue missions. They can even recover the boat from the water directly.

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After the 2005 Earthquake and the 2010 Floods, the chinook was able to lift considerable loads in one go. Which could be crucial in lifting heavy equipment for rescue missions. Equipment too heavy for other helicopters to carry.

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